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werd19
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Message 1 of 32 (9986)
05-19-2002 10:48 PM


understand first that im not a scientist or professor or anything, and also understand that im not trying to prove that evolution exists, there is enough evidence of that, its only a matter of if you choose to see it or not.
ok heres my idea. junk dna. we dont know much about it. in our dna we have start markers and stop markers. anything before the start, or after the stop, is overlooked. we think it doesnt serve a purpose. suppose that a strand of dna mutated and the start marker happened too soon, or the end marker too late. im sure it happens all the time. it is probably responsible for a lot of our diseases. but suppose it allowed the animal to better cope with its environment. naturally, the better adapted animal will mate the most. so the animal with the highest frequency of mutated dna mates, and passes on his dna to his offspring, which then mutate even more then he did, and over hundreds, or thousands, millions of years, you have a species of animal which decended from another species of animal that may or may not still exist, which is slightly different. note butterfly wing patterns, or people who are immune to a disease that foreigners are vulnerable to.
as long as we are misplacing start and stop markers, what is to say that the junk dna is a constant. it could change over generations. and when strands mutate, if the junk incorperated had beneficial effects, i would stick around through survival of the fittest, if it was not a good mutation, i would die out. now i know, diseases arent exactly dying out in the human race. however, humans have not been around very long. and perhaps more significant, we marry. this limits the natural selection process, because the fittest dont reproduce as much as they could, and the less fit reproduce more than they should. and considering that other animals are either immune or only slightly affected by most of the diseases that are a threat to humans, this seems pretty accurate to me. however if anyone who is a scientist or professor or anything, or anyone else who wants to comment on my idea, please feel free to do so.

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werd19
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Message 3 of 32 (9989)
05-19-2002 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Tranquility Base
05-19-2002 10:56 PM


im going to talk basic chemistry and such for a minute.
chaos is the natural state of order. it takes energy to create order, and it is assumed that an outside force is required to give the energy in the right places, or else your just taking something that is scattered randomly and scattering it more.
now the all powerful rule of probability. in an infinite amount of time, if something can happen, it will happen.
mix in a little big bang theory.
i propose that 2 black holes suck up all the matter that is involved in the big bang, then they suck eachother up. when their centers full of mass collide, an explosion happens, which more then enough energy to organize amino acids and such that could form life. but the organic material may not form life. however the big bang is persistant. it would get it right eventually.
still this doesnt account for bats and mice and whatnot only the existance of life. but our little single cell lifeform isnt a bat or a mouse, and it has to get there somehow or else we dont exist. the dna mutates and forms a mucus or membrane or something of that sort, so when the cell divides, instead of making 2 separate single cell lifeforms, it makes a single 2 celled life form, then mutates later to incorperate more and more cells. or maybe multiple single cell lifeforms huddle together for whatever reason and adapt to transmit chemicals between eachother and eventually a small organism is formed with specialized sectors of cells that eventually become organs and such. it isnt that far of a stretch. thus, bats and mice. and humans.

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werd19
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Message 5 of 32 (9995)
05-20-2002 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Tranquility Base
05-19-2002 11:25 PM


a mechanism for the systematic acquisition of genetic noelty? im not sure what that is? but i think the answer is yes. you say 'not yet' but perhaps it is 'not anymore' instead. you come off as very closed minded to me. boats might float because of water displacement, but anything can be imagined, its mainly hand waving and displacementary expectation, or something along those lines. im not asking you to believe, just dont discount my thoughts so easily. i could do the same to yours.

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werd19
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Message 10 of 32 (10082)
05-21-2002 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Tranquility Base
05-20-2002 9:56 PM


wow you guys know lots of words.
i didnt really mean for this to become a creation vs evolution thread because evolution exists whether you think so or not like youve been talking about its just a matter of how far you think it goes i really dont know and neither do you so this is pointless to argue. i simply had an idea and i thought id throw it out there and see if anyone has scientific stuff that says it could or could not happen.
i saw on discovery channel, the sea show i dont remember the name, i fish that walks on its fins as if they were legs, indeed they bent and moved like legs, and he could get up and swim too if he needed. there are fish that dont breath underwater, they have a special lung that lets them come to the surface and get a gulp of air. no not whales and dolphines those arent fish silly. betas (or fighting fish) is only one of them there are many more. it is widely beleived that single cell bacteria lived first in the ocean at underwater volcanic openings (i think this is supported by archeology and whatnot). ill let you do the math
and if you think it = speciation you forgot to carry the 2
so please just talk about the scientific facts that prove this could or could not happen if there are any

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werd19
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Message 12 of 32 (10151)
05-21-2002 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Tranquility Base
05-21-2002 12:34 AM


ok black holes are centers of gravity correct? very strong gravity due to huge amounts of matter in very small volume? so shouldnt they react upon collision as other masses would? in an explosion? and because there is so incredibly much matter, which directly translates into equally enourmous amounts of energy, wouldnt it make an explosion as massive as the one were talking about in the big bang theory?
i have these kids in one of my classes and they like to talk about things that no one else like to listen to. and they were kidding around talking about if you crash 2 infinitely hard surfaces together it would create another diminsion and you would be the god of it. yes its just meant to be funny, but im thinkin 2 black holes w/ as much matter in them as were talking about would be pretty close to infintely hard.
i could always be wrong, i have said before that as soon as you think something it become false even if it was true before. so yeah. but still a thought.

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werd19
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Message 20 of 32 (10296)
05-23-2002 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by mark24
05-23-2002 10:56 AM


something tells me we dont know much about black holes, perhaps because we cant get close enough to them to actually study them. this 'event horizon' you speak of i am convinced is just a name of something we think exists to explain something we dont understand. like god.

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werd19
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Message 22 of 32 (10299)
05-23-2002 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by mark24
05-23-2002 4:25 PM


hmm ok thats nice and wonderful.
do we even know for sure that it is gravity which pulls light into a black hole? because the mass of light is negligible it seems to me that the affect of a foce that acts upon mass would also be negligible.
i dont pretend to know all the laws that govern our existance. if you know a few more then me, plz share

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