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mark24
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Message 6 of 32 (10026)
05-20-2002 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by werd19
05-19-2002 11:18 PM


quote:
Originally posted by werd19:

i propose that 2 black holes suck up all the matter that is involved in the big bang, then they suck eachother up. when their centers full of mass collide, an explosion happens, which more then enough energy to organize amino acids and such that could form life.

When 2 black holes collide, wouldn't you get 1 big one?
Mark
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Message 7 of 32 (10027)
05-20-2002 10:16 AM
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05-19-2002 10:48 PM


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Makalow/sines.html
This site lists some known functions of "junk" DNA that you might find interesting.
Mark
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mark24
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Message 19 of 32 (10286)
05-23-2002 10:56 AM
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05-22-2002 10:25 PM


quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
id imagine theyd create a reverse black hole since theyd be switching eachothers polarity and most likely in the process creating antigravity.
however the rate at which the universe is spreading is gradually slowing down and will eventually come back upon itself and most likely create a big bang when it becomes as compact as is physically possible.

But the modelled physics show one hole, with the sum of the mass of the two. Let's not let our imaginations run riot
Regarding compactness, the mass of black holes is currently thought to exist at a singularity. All you can have is a more massive singularity, so the mass takes up no more space anyway.
Mark
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mark24
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Message 21 of 32 (10297)
05-23-2002 4:25 PM
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05-23-2002 3:32 PM


quote:
Originally posted by werd19:
something tells me we dont know much about black holes, perhaps because we cant get close enough to them to actually study them. this 'event horizon' you speak of i am convinced is just a name of something we think exists to explain something we dont understand. like god.
The event horizon is merely the point from a gravitational centre (of gravity) where the escape velocity = c. c being the speed of light. What's so hard to understand? This means that the mass of a black hole is well inside a sphere of total blackness.
Go out into your garden, pick up a stone & throw it as hard as you can, straight up. You will not achieve the escape velocity of the earth (well below that of c), & the stone will fall back to earth. Just as the light inside a black holes event horizon will.
What's so hard about that?
Mark
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Message 26 of 32 (10303)
05-23-2002 5:24 PM
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05-23-2002 5:18 PM


Percy,
I'm having a problem where my username & pw aren't being remembered, in the personal settings, the option to remember is ticked, but it's not remembering.
Mark
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Message 27 of 32 (10304)
05-23-2002 5:25 PM
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05-23-2002 5:24 PM


Percy,
How embarrassing, it seems to be working now ?!?!
Mark
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Message 28 of 32 (10305)
05-23-2002 5:28 PM
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05-23-2002 4:43 PM


quote:
Originally posted by werd19:
hmm ok thats nice and wonderful.
do we even know for sure that it is gravity which pulls light into a black hole? because the mass of light is negligible it seems to me that the affect of a foce that acts upon mass would also be negligible.
i dont pretend to know all the laws that govern our existance. if you know a few more then me, plz share

Try this site, http://www.rdrop.com/users/green/school/detect.htm
Gravitic lensing has been observed, & therefore light being affected by gravity has been observed. It's workings are explained in the site above.
Mark
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Message 29 of 32 (10306)
05-23-2002 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by TrueCreation
05-23-2002 5:23 PM


quote:
Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"But the modelled physics show one hole, with the sum of the mass of the two. Let's not let our imaginations run riot
Regarding compactness, the mass of black holes is currently thought to exist at a singularity. All you can have is a more massive singularity, so the mass takes up no more space anyway."
--Well contrasting your first statement and your second with the definition of a singularity, I think there is a bit of an inconsistency. Being that a singularity is a point in space-time at which gravitational forces cause matter to have infinite density and infinitesimal volume as well as having space and time becoming infinitely distorted. I don't think adding two infinite quantities is going to have any effect. Either that or I am just playing with semantics.

You're not adding infinite quantities.
Each hole has a mass that may be different to the other hole. What makes it a black hole is that it has a mass that has an escape velocity greater than light. As the effect due to gravity decreases by the inverse square law with distance, there comes a point where the escape velocity equals c. This forms a "surface" around the singularity. You move inside it, & you can't escape unless you can travel faster than light.
That the mass is is concentrated into a singularity only means that volume (of the singularity, by definition) can't change, mass can.
Mark
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