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Author Topic:   The validity of an Anthropomorphic God
Trump won 
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Message 1 of 6 (351580)
09-23-2006 12:03 PM


An Anthropomorphic God is one that is like us, that kills, thinks, sees, looks. This God is the creation by which human beings envision a deity, a creator that is like themselves. This belief is widely popular with evangelists and most church-goers that I know, this version of God is held within the Bible and in sermons I imagine.
In the book of Genesis it is said that God created man in his image. This can be interpreted various ways and I do not want to direct this topic into what we think this means.
I believe that if God exists it cannot be apart of this system. We are but creatures that exist and we must eat, we must sleep, and to an extent we need to be part of a routine to buy food and to have shelter to sleep in. But God perplexes me. I oft sat and questioned "Why this". I imagined the need for men to be of different cultures, traditions and territory. These men they hurt and kill eachother in the name of ethnocentrism or patriotism, what have you. I asked God why this? What is the point of this?
It was then that I realized there is no reason. God cannot be held within reason or logic, God cannot be defined by man.
For this is my argument against an anthropomorphic God, for when one questions existence, purpose and the various properties of existence one realizes that one cannot logically reason it. God cannot be held within the parameters of human logic, for all we know is that it exists and nothing more.
I have been musing over this subject for the last 2 years. I recently held a discussion with my archaeology professor(Phd from Columbia) in class that came about soon after asking about the moral atheist. I was not attempting to indict her but ask her of her beliefs for she is a moral atheist. She agreed outright with my assertions that I am presenting here, she could offer nothing but praise: "this young man reads books". The impossiblity for an anthropomorphic God was easy to see for us, I raised this discussion in the middle of class mind you and my the majority of the other students had no idea what we were talking about. She had to assure them that it was related to our studies of the day.
I have coined it "God doesn't". In a poem written long ago(no longer have it) outlying this concept that an anthropomorphic God cannot possibly exist.
As in God doesn't hear, God doesn't see, God isn't good, God cannot be reasoned or boxed in, It simply cannot be described, God doesn't exist.
I have reasoned this because we are but humans and our minds are limited, the mobility of our minds are limited. We are essentially damned to think in human terms and likeness. We cannot be anything greater than what we inherently are.
I have always said that all we can know for sure (if one believes in a deity) is that It exists.
The realization that we are but humans, a limited species can often be disheartening to say the least.
(But have you heard the term "ignorance is bliss"? Dylan once said that "if you're not depressed you don't have anything to say.")

To discuss if this view is valid or invalid this is my purpose here. I believe it is invalid, as I've said God cannot be articulated by man, God cannot be described.
This thread is NOT to discuss my personal religious beliefs or to criticize my belief in Christianity. I have already stated why I love and respect the Bible, it is a beautiful composition of men frustrated, reasoning their God, finding their God, it is a deep struggle of the mind and then a story of a man that preached Altruism.I care not to generalize or summarize anymore.
Edited by -messenjah of one, : needed improvement

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Message 2 of 6 (351583)
09-23-2006 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Trump won
09-23-2006 12:03 PM


Needs some work.
In the words of Brother Francis Gerard of Utah, "My ignorance is complete".
The OP seems to wander all over the place, and it might be a good idea if you first defined what you mean by "an Anthropomorphic God."
You make some statements that seem self contradictory like
I have always said that all we can know for sure (if one believes in a deity) is that It exists.
where you mention both belief and knowing for sure.
Can you first define what it is YOU mean by an anthropomorphic God since that will form the basis of any discussion? If all you mean is attributing human characteristics to something not human, can you explain why you believe that is either a problem or impossible?
Is this simply a discussion of the relationships between a Map and Territory?

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    Message 3 of 6 (351589)
    09-23-2006 12:53 PM
    Reply to: Message 2 by AdminJar
    09-23-2006 12:20 PM


    Re: Needs some work.
    I had reasoned that those that did not know what the term "Anthropomorphic God" meant were not fit to join in this discussion. Is this rude or elitist? Perhaps.
    Attributing human characteristics to a God is simply ridiculous and simply subjective, my challenge will be to attempt to put empirical data on a discussion that is subjective in it's nature. I will come back to this soon. The fact that I need to further substantiate the claim futher from what humans inherently are may prove to be a futile task.
    quote:
    Is this simply a discussion of the relationships between a Map and Territory?
    What does this mean?
    PS: that isn't a contradictory statement (the statement from my post you provided).

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    Message 4 of 6 (351657)
    09-23-2006 6:44 PM
    Reply to: Message 3 by Trump won
    09-23-2006 12:53 PM


    Re: Needs some work.
    quote:
    I had reasoned that those that did not know what the term "Anthropomorphic God" meant were not fit to join in this discussion. Is this rude or elitist? Perhaps.
    Yes, it is rude, and arrogant.
    This sort of attitude is not likely to move the Mods to promote your topic, either, as your recent threads in which you have displayed this attitude were not conducive to productive debate.

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    Message 5 of 6 (351683)
    09-23-2006 9:48 PM
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    09-23-2006 6:44 PM


    Re: Needs some work.
    Yes,
    I recall those threads, a member by the name of Schrafinator started making personal accusations against me that were dishonest and basic.
    You should keep her in check Admin.

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    Message 6 of 6 (351692)
    09-23-2006 10:28 PM


    Promoted to Faith & Belief
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