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shalamabobbi
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Message 1 of 8 (493755)
01-10-2009 4:29 PM


If the flood created fossil records is indeed a fact, then fossils can be created on short order. Why not re-create the conditions in a lab and make some fossils? It should be possible if the theory is true.

Given the right conditions some fossilization should take place. Even if it is very small, it could be measured and a time to create a fossil extrapolated from the results.

Why hasn't anyone pursued this?


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Message 2 of 8 (493760)
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Message 3 of 8 (493777)
01-10-2009 6:13 PM
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01-10-2009 4:29 PM


no creation science?
welcome to the fray, shalamabobbi

If the flood created fossil records is indeed a fact, then fossils can be created on short order.

In other words one should be able to reproduce the flood conditions in order to create new fossils? Good point.

Why hasn't anyone pursued this?

Because creationists aren't interested in doing science, and evolutionists aren't interested in falsifying something they already consider false. It does seem to prove that there are no "creationist scientists" eh?

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Message 4 of 8 (493955)
01-12-2009 12:11 AM
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01-10-2009 4:29 PM


Hi, Shalamabobbi. Welcome to EvC!

shalamabobbi writes:

Why hasn't anyone pursued this?

I personally think that, in addition to what RAZD said, there is also the lack of a fundamental agreement among creationists and IDists as to the conditions of the Flood. These people are very good at speaking to the masses, and so, I think they tend to see things more in terms of group discussions than laboratory work.

Maybe, if one of them did something like you suggest, they could unite themselves scientifically and finally produce a theory that could receive some serious attention in scientific journals. I personally think they should scrape up the funds and go for it. I would await their results with great anticipation.


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Message 5 of 8 (493957)
01-12-2009 12:29 AM
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Creationist research
Maybe, if one of them did something like you suggest, they could unite themselves scientifically and finally produce a theory that could receive some serious attention in scientific journals. I personally think they should scrape up the funds and go for it. I would await their results with great anticipation.

The closest I've seen to creationists actually doing research is the RATE group. With somewhere over a million dollars in creationist money a group of scientists who are also creationists tried to disprove radiometric dating thereby supporting their young earth belief.

Here are two reviews of the project results:

Assessing the RATE Project: Essay Review by Randy Isaac:
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/rate-ri.htm

Do the RATE Findings Negate Mainstream Science?:
http://www.reasons.org/resources/in_the_news/Rating_Article.shtml


One of the concluding paragraphs from the first review:

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In this book, the authors admit that a young-earth position cannot be reconciled with the scientific data without assuming that exotic solutions will be discovered in the future. No known thermodynamic process could account for the required rate of heat removal nor is there any known way to protect organisms from radiation damage. The young-earth advocate is therefore left with two positions. Either God created the earth with the appearance of age (thought by many to be inconsistent with the character of God) or else there are radical scientific laws yet to be discovered that would revolutionize science in the future. The authors acknowledge that no current scientific understanding is consistent with a young earth. Yet they are so confident that these problems will be resolved that they encourage a message that the reliability of the Bible has been confirmed.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.


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Message 6 of 8 (494355)
01-15-2009 1:06 PM


Thanks for the replies. I had sent this inquiry to the creation research institute to see what their reply would be.
In their reply they stated that this could be modeled on a computer but did not make any statements about what that computer model demonstrated.
Then followed a suggested list of books that I might consider purchasing to 'learn' more about the issues.
It seems that for a financially constrained group that cannot do much science, they are still able to publish a lot of their 'findings'.

'The Hollow Earth' was a fun read and doubly so since a simple application of the calculus demonstrates that there is no gravity inside a shell, so that interior sun is prone to wander..
Maybe it is time for the sequel to appear, 'The Hollow Head'.

an excerpt from their reply..


Resources on fossils and relevant articles:

The New Answers Book – The NEW Answers Book covers such foundational questions as: What about the gap theory? Where did Cain get his wife? and Is there really a God? It also covers topics like natural selection, death and suffering, plate tectonics, the big bang, the laws of nature, UFOs and extraterrestrials, the alleged dinosaur-to-bird connection.

Bones of Contention - The most thorough examination of all the supposed pre-human fossils that has been published, with thorough refutation of all evolutionary inferences that have been drawn from them. Lubenow is both a scientist and a theologian. The book contains 11 charts, 4 illustrations, and extensive documentation.

Evolution: The Fossils Still Say No! - An updated and much-enlarged edition of Dr. Gish's classic book Evolution: The Fossils Say No. The most compelling critique available anywhere of the supposedly key argument for evolution, the fossil record. Dr. Gish documents in detail, from the writings of evolutionists themselves, the complete absence of any true evolutionary transitional forms among the billions of fossilized animals in the earth's sedimentary rocks.

The Genesis Flood This is the book which many recognize as having started the modern revival of creationism and catastrophism. Although it has gone through over 32 printings, it is still the most definitive treatment of the Biblical and scientific evidences of the global flood in the days of Noah.

Creation: Facts of Life (Newly revised and updated) – After three years of trying to “prove evolution” to skeptical professors in his science department, Gary Parker finally realized that the scientific evidence we see in God’s world agrees with what we read in God’s Word. In this revised and updated edition of Creation Facts of Life, Dr. Parker respectfully describes the evidences he once used to “preach” evolution—but then he explains how the “rest of the evidence” points away from evolution and toward a perfect world created by God, ruined by man, and restored to new life in Christ! Dr. Parker discusses DNA and genetics, mutations, fossils, and much more.

R.A.T.E. Products: – RATE - Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth volume one and volume two - The RATE books are excellent resources on radioactive dating for every scientist's library, whether evolutionist or creationist. RATE examines radioisotope theory, exposes its plaguing problems, and offers a better alternative in a technical format. See also the RATE Conference DVD set and RATE information in a layman’s-level DVD and book.

That Their Words May Be Used Against Them. This book was compiled from over 50 years of study by Dr. Henry M. Morris, who is acknowledged to be the father of modern creationism. This hardback book has over 490 pages with nearly 3,000 quotes from evolutionists who reveal serious problems with evolution. It is divided into 15 topical chapters and 45 sections. [NOTE: All quotes are on a CD ROM, which comes with the book.]

The resources above can be ordered from the ICR online bookstore or by calling ICR Customer Service at (800) 628 – 7640 (Orders only).

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Message 7 of 8 (494375)
01-15-2009 2:11 PM
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01-15-2009 1:06 PM


shalamabobbi writes:

'The Hollow Earth' was a fun read and doubly so since a simple application of the calculus demonstrates that there is no gravity inside a shell, so that interior sun is prone to wander..
Maybe it is time for the sequel to appear, 'The Hollow Head'.

:laugh:

Followed by 'The Hollow Argument', to complete the fantasy trilogy.

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Message 8 of 8 (494378)
01-15-2009 3:02 PM
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01-15-2009 2:11 PM


Followed by 'The Hollow Argument', to complete the fantasy trilogy.

Actually it seems more like hollow heads.


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