Ozone Hole: remember all the Hype about our Ozone Hole?

Sam Ryskind writes:http://web.mac.com/...FB8A2-9057-4078-BA76-D52310297C49.html(See his cartoon)You don’t hear much about the ozone hole any more. Has it gone away? Nope. NOAA and NASA say in 2006 it was bigger and deeper than ever. [Yikes - stay out of the Sun!]But wait, you say, we implemented the Montreal Protocols in 1989, eliminating ozone depleting CFCs. Kofi Annan called the Protocol, “Perhaps the most successful international agreement to date.” CFC concentrations have been falling since 1995. How can the ozone hole be worse?It’s not worse says NOAA, it’s better. It’s just that you can’t see how great the Protocol is working because colder than average temperatures in the Antarctic mask the benefit. Cold weather “result[s] in larger and deeper ozone holes, while warmer weather leads to smaller ones.”Doh....Colder in Antarctica? Al Gore told me it was melting! Al Gore told me there was consensus. Consensus!Edited by Richbee, : Corrected Hotlink

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Richard B.

Besides a tendancy to choose your information sources carelessly you seem to have a problem with the concept of forests and trees.A basic training in the sciences would be a good idea before you pontificate on scientific results.

Ah, yes, I do remember the ozone depletion problem. It is too bad that this isn't still in the public awareness. Here we have an example where despite very clear and unambiguous evidence of a problem caused by a certain chemical pollutant, industry fought tooth and nail against implementing any measures to prevent an environmental disaster.It also shows that despite the implementing of such measures, the problem had become large enough that it will take time for the problem to be alleviated and for the environment to return to its natural state.If this news were still in the public awareness, it would perhaps serve as a cautionary tale concerning another potential global environmental crisis that is currently in the news, especially about the spin and propaganda put out by the usual industry flacks.

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This world can take my money and time/ But it sure can't take my soul. -- Joe Ely

Really now?I provided a hotlink and the comments of the writer - Sam Ryskind.Deal with it!Did you see the cartoon?I completely agree with Sam Ryskind, and perhaps you can enlighten us to the latest news from the South Pole or....Quote:The Antarctic, which holds 90 per cent of the world's ice and nearly all its 160,000 glaciers, has cooled and gained ice-mass in the past 30 years, reversing a 6,000-year melting trend. Data from 6,000 boreholes worldwide show global temperatures were higher in the Middle Ages than now.News: Breaking stories & updates - The TelegraphClimate chaos? Don't believe itBy Christopher Monckton, Sunday TelegraphDOWNLOAD References and Calculations (PDF)404Edited by Richbee, : Edit Add

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Daniel Patrick Moynihan used to say “we are all entitled to our own opinions, but not to our own facts.”

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Richard B.

you apparently don't understand the concept of temp. fluctuations. 2006 may have been really cold in antarctica. that doesn't mean its' going to stay cold, or that massive glaciers (there's a massive one that broke off a couple of years ago,) won't break off.and yeah, there is consensus that the warming is happening, and that we're the cause. check out the '07 IPCC report on global warming.

The ice has been melting and freezing in the Antartic for millions of years.IMO, our last 100 years reveals a very modest rise in Temps of about 0.6. - 0.7 C.A natural flucuation, and a very welcome rise from the last mini-ice age!See:A Brief History of Ice Ages and WarmingGlobal warming started long before the "Industrial Revolution" and the invention of the internal combustion engine. Global warming began 18,000 years ago as the earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age -- a time when much of North America, Europe, and Asia lay buried beneath great sheets of glacial ice.Earth's climate and the biosphere have been in constant flux, dominated by ice ages and glaciers for the past several million years. We are currently enjoying a temporary reprieve from the deep freeze.Approximately every 100,000 years Earth's climate warms up temporarily. These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer its end than its beginning.Global warming during Earth's current interglacial warm period has greatly altered our environment and the distribution and diversity of all life.For example:* Approximately 15,000 years ago the earth had warmed sufficiently to halt the advance of glaciers, and sea levels worldwide began to rise.* By 8,000 years ago the land bridge across the Bearing Strait was drowned, cutting off the migration of men and animals to North America.* Since the end of the Ice Age, Earth's temperature has risen approximately 16 degrees F and sea levels have risen a total of 300 feet! Forests have returned where once there was only ice. 403 Forbidden

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Daniel Patrick Moynihan used to say “we are all entitled to our own opinions, but not to our own facts.”

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Richard B.

Hi Rich.Up to your old tricks I see.. How have you been? I haven't seen you since you shut down the NYtimes forums.

Moss?Robert?orRobbie?Shut down the forums?They are still up last I saw.The N.Y. Times gave up on a number of topics, including "Theology" under Books.And, "Poetry".Finally, they gave up on "Politics".Now, over here in the "Coffee House", anything goes?

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Daniel Patrick Moynihan used to say “we are all entitled to our own opinions, but not to our own facts.”

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Richard B.

I don't know how many times you have to be told, RB - Monckton is a professional paid liar, and the data absolutely doesn't support his conclusions.As you can see from the JPL data, Antarctic ice mass has significantly and steadily decreased over the past several years:Your assertions to the contrary are flat-out false.

As you can see the seaons mean it is not steadily decreasing (monotonically). It has trended downward and significantly.Clearly the ability to pick up the seaonal signel lends support to the measurements.

The global warming topic is here.Adminnemooseus

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Well, obviously it goes up and down with the seasons. Barring that regular, normal variation, the trend is steady.

Crash, what ice mass is that chart talking about.A NASA article I read said that GRACE just accurately measured the antarctic ice mass last year, and the east antarctic ice sheet, largest in the world was thickening. The west antarctic ice sheet is indeed thinning.Antartic peninsula temperatures have risen, a lot. I can't remember whether it's 5 degrees Celsius or fahrenheit. West Antarctic, of which the peninsula is just a part, has risen, but not as much. In fact, the Larsen A shelf sheered off in a part of West Antarctica that's cooler, but it appears that increased ocean temperature is the cause.That's the data I collected, I think from pretty good sources. Is that chart of yours supposed to be all antarctica or just west?

So sorry, Moose. I replied before I saw your warning.

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