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Author Topic:   Making Sense of Evil (Virginia Tech Massacre)
Phat
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Message 11 of 110 (396522)
04-20-2007 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Nuggin
04-20-2007 12:27 PM


Re: Evil?
Nuggin writes:
These people are making decisions to do their actions based on their worldviews. Their rationale may be incorrect, their logic may be faulty, but their actions come from these things.
Spiritually, its idolatry plain and simple. If one acts on a worldview that allows them to pick and choose what it is they will do, they are acting against the very nature of relationship with God which means that they no longer run the show. (Of course, psychotics can go berzerk based upon thinking that they [b]are[/be] hearing the voice of God.)
I can't explain it to those who think that God is a product of the human imagination and nothing more, however.

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Message 30 of 110 (396607)
04-21-2007 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Nuggin
04-20-2007 1:25 PM


Re: Evil?
We can tell them they were wrong quite simply because they caused the deaths of others...which goes against the ten Commandments. Of course, we ourselves can also be judged by this criteria.
This idea of letting everyone believe whatever they want without challenging them is not only post-modern pablum...its namby-pamby!

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Phat
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Message 37 of 110 (396641)
04-21-2007 1:39 PM
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04-21-2007 11:30 AM


Re: Evil?
Yes, this is true. Keep in mind, however, that many of the actions attributed to God may have been interpretations by the human authors. IOW, God may not have ordered the deaths at all....it may have just been the authors interpretation of what God wanted done.
ANYWAY...Getting Back On Topic:
I fear that Cho will become a Martyr type of figure for many disenchanted youth...particularly of the Third World. His image is that of a Third World ethnicity declaring "war" on the United States indirectly at a technical college. Its not just a troubled mental patient in a local setting....its the whole idea that Capitalism and Imperialism needs to be brought down.
These ideas are dangerous to our way of life! Its not our fault that we live in a Capitalist Republic with Imperial ambitions....Cho said that there were a hundred billion reasons....I assume he is referring to U.S. Dollar amounts being spent on war...I dunno.

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Phat
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Message 39 of 110 (396668)
04-21-2007 4:41 PM
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04-21-2007 3:49 PM


Re: Evil?
Im just saying that Cho portrayed a Westernized Martyr complex. His diatribe was directed against Americans who "could have stopped him". I am saying that its not our fault for whatever ills our system has done to his tortured mind, nor for the protests of many imitators throughout the world.

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Message 103 of 110 (587576)
10-19-2010 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by jar
04-23-2007 12:12 PM


Re: Evil?
I am going to reactivate this conversation in light of what hooah brought up in Message 15 of another topic:
hooah writes:
That doesn't work in this instance. Sure, you could say it was the will of the people....but only so because the people were driven by their holy book.
True enough, but if we got rid of religion we would not eradicate the propensity for evil.
So, you are saying people are inherently evil? Or do you ONLY say that because your holy book tells you that? Sorry I led us OT.
I believe that people are both good and evil. Evil in this case defined as selfish, greedy, or uncaring of others needs.

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