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Modulous
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Message 7 of 38 (443863)
12-27-2007 6:20 AM
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12-25-2007 12:51 PM


For those that want returns
KIVA doesn't pay returns to lenders for its loans. That isn't a criticism, just a statement of fact. It took me a while of reading to understand how their business compares with bonds. The advantage of Kiva is that you get to see who the borrowers are, and what they'll use the money for and that 'intimacy' can certainly provide emotional impact.
I thought I'd have a look at other similar business models and see if anything else was going on in the microfinancing world. I found Micro Place. The first issue I had with it was that it is an eBay company - but I looked past that and investigated. Instead of giving money to the borrower via field agents, you give money to the micro-financing companies (via securities) who can then loan that money. Example:
Oikocredit:
Borrower repayment rate: 100% Woman borrowers: 100%
Total loan portfolio: $2,415,740 First-time business owners: - -
Number of active borrowers: 12,662 Operational self-sufficiency: 127%
Avg. loan balance / borrower: $259
You get a small interest, in this case it is 1.5%
It is an exercise for the reader as to which method they prefer, and I've no idea if one can be said to be 'better'.

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Message 10 of 38 (444859)
12-31-2007 6:47 AM
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12-31-2007 4:14 AM


From their FAQ
8. When is microcredit not appropriate?
"Microcredit may be inappropriate where conditions pose severe challenges to loan repayment. For example, populations that are geographically dispersed or have a high incidence of disease may not be suitable microfinance clients. In these cases, grants, infrastructure improvements or education and training programmes are more effective. For microcredit to be appropriate, the clients must have the capacity to repay the loan under the terms by which it is provided."
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Message 18 of 38 (445104)
01-01-2008 8:16 AM
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12-31-2007 5:45 PM


Do you have a tax form for that? It should be a 990.
I followed your link and got the 990 with no problem. Don't know why you are having an issue with it but if there is any specific information you want from it, or if you want to arrange some kind of data transfer I'll be happy to help.

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Message 21 of 38 (445618)
01-03-2008 3:51 AM
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01-03-2008 2:39 AM


Unfortunately I don't see anything like that on here...

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Message 23 of 38 (445866)
01-04-2008 7:54 AM
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01-04-2008 12:02 AM


12 Total revenue (add lines 1d, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6c, 7, 8d, 9c, 10c, and 11) 12 161,545.
13 Program services (from line 44, column (B)) 13 100,880.
14 Management and general (from line 44, column (C)) 14 0
15 Fundraising (from line 44, column (D)) 15 0
16 Payments to affiliates (attach schedule)

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Message 25 of 38 (446204)
01-05-2008 6:04 AM
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01-04-2008 11:52 PM


Net assets or fund balances at end of year (combine lines 18, 19, and 20) 21 60,665.
That doesn't seem particularly controversial. I do some work for a much smaller charity that has about 35k in assets.
Am I missing something?

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Message 27 of 38 (446237)
01-05-2008 11:43 AM
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01-05-2008 11:31 AM


All of this stuff about KIVA's revenues and expenses is simply a irrelevant.
I dunno if it is irrelevant. Some people might choose not to utilize a company that is engaging in unethical behaviour, even if utilizing them actually costs the company money.
For example, if Kiva was using the charitable works as a convenient way of soliciting donations with which they would buy diamond mines in Africa staffed by slaves and violent overseers...then I might consider using a different company even though by not making any donations the company loses money through my usage.

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Message 33 of 38 (446290)
01-05-2008 3:00 PM
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01-05-2008 2:46 PM


From what I am aware, that is their first 990, and I think it is for 1 Nov 2005 - 30 Sep 2006 - so I imagine they haven't been an entity much longer than that.

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Message 34 of 38 (446292)
01-05-2008 3:02 PM
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01-05-2008 11:49 AM


Re: Possibly
But honestly it looks like the total revenue isn't enough to buy too many diamonds, much less a mine. And using them as your unpaid slaves might just be poetic justice under your scenario.
Exactly, and we found this out by looking at their records. Hopefully, the fact that they aren't rolling in filthy amounts of cash might encourage one or two fence-sitters!

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