On Trying a President.

Sorry but in recent cases there has been no declared war. The US invaded Panama and captured their President, brought him back to the US, tried, convicted, sentenced and incarcerated him and is now planning on extraditing him to France to face other charges.If that was legal, then would the US have any recourse if a sitting US President was treated similarly?

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Well, neither was Serbia or Somalia, but that didn't stop the US from doing it then either. I didn't hear any worldwide criticism over either of those. Apparently these things get sanctioned by the UN.If that was legal, then would the US have any recourse if a sitting US President was treated similarly?[/qs]I don't know and I don't care enough about it to concern myself over it. I'll let the lawyers fight it out. If and when diplomacy fails, then we'll let the military sort it out.

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"Whatever weakens your reasoning, impairs the tenderness of your conscience, obscures your sense of God, or takes away your relish for spiritual things-- in short, if anything increases the power and the authority of the flesh over the spirit, that to you becomes sin, however good it may be in itself." -Suzanna Wesley

So are you suggesting we should take military action should that happen?Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

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Well, you could all throw a big party, maybe sing the "Ding-dong the witch is dead" song from the Wizard of Oz.

A sitting president is also a US citizen and an ex-president is just a US citizen. So, I would think that the standard laws concerning extradition would apply. The question then is, would those laws be enforced, and if not, why not. It would be helpful to know what, if any, extradition treaty we have with the UN's International Court of Justice in The Hague. I understand, but don't remember the details, that there is an international treaty for some of this that the US (under Bush) refused to be a party to specifically for fear that some US military personnel (including the Commander-in-Chief) might be subject to such indictments.Pity that West Wing is off the air. A perfect venue to explore your questions. Your questions have both a theoretical side and a practical side. On the practical side, I think it's just a question of what do you do after you indict an 800 pound gorilla.

Really it all depends on the circumstances.

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"Whatever weakens your reasoning, impairs the tenderness of your conscience, obscures your sense of God, or takes away your relish for spiritual things-- in short, if anything increases the power and the authority of the flesh over the spirit, that to you becomes sin, however good it may be in itself." -Suzanna Wesley

Well that certainly cleared things up. LOL

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1. The invation was a multi-nation invasion.
2. Iraq defied the world body deband of inspections etc.
3. Iraq funded terrorist suicide bombers.
4. The US lost two of the world's tallest buildings, part of the pentagon, 4 airliners and occupants, thousands of other lives and a crippled economy. Two terrorist oriented national governments were a fair exchange. We were, however foolish for establishing another Islamic regime of the same ideology as Iran's intolerant government. We should have treated Iraq and Afganistan as we did the Yugoslavs where we left them with a destroyed nation to fix themselves. We could/should have done as Israel does with surgical strikes and retreat.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

What does any of that have to do with the Topic Buz?

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I sensed this is where you were implicitly leading the conversation too.

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"Whatever weakens your reasoning, impairs the tenderness of your conscience, obscures your sense of God, or takes away your relish for spiritual things-- in short, if anything increases the power and the authority of the flesh over the spirit, that to you becomes sin, however good it may be in itself." -Suzanna Wesley

Then actually try reading what is written.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

With all of the hypotheticals out of the way, why not discuss the motive of the inquiry?Are you saying this thread doesn't involve the words "President Bush?"You're just randomly asking?

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"Whatever weakens your reasoning, impairs the tenderness of your conscience, obscures your sense of God, or takes away your relish for spiritual things-- in short, if anything increases the power and the authority of the flesh over the spirit, that to you becomes sin, however good it may be in itself." -Suzanna Wesley

Actually, no, not directly.The question deals with how we should react when a sitting or retired US President is captured and placed on trial in another country.It doesn't matter which President it is.

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Are you saying this thread doesn't involve the words "President Bush?" You're just randomly asking?

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So the statement below has absolutely nothing to do with the inquiry?

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"Whatever weakens your reasoning, impairs the tenderness of your conscience, obscures your sense of God, or takes away your relish for spiritual things-- in short, if anything increases the power and the authority of the flesh over the spirit, that to you becomes sin, however good it may be in itself." -Suzanna Wesley

Of course not. It was a comment to you before the topic was promoted. I forgot that AdminNem does not know how to promote the initial OP without all the rest.The OP deals with the issue and it is applicable even if another President comes along that is even more criminal that Reagan, Bush or Shrub.The question is since Reagan, Bush and Bush have all set precedents for doing what is outlined in the OP, if some other nation behaved as the US has recently and invaded another Nation, capturing the President, dragging the President back to the invading nation and indicting, trying, convicting, sentencing, incarcerating our President, do we have any legal recourse?

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