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tesla
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Message 57 of 75 (454810)
02-08-2008 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Larni
06-16-2006 6:59 AM


i experience this in the way you put it. but the feeling is more of a panel of judges. i have often contemplated if the feeling of them was a sign of distress.
but distressed or not, if i am alone, the awareness and feeling of the presence of the judges becomes more evident.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 59 of 75 (454848)
02-08-2008 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Larni
02-08-2008 8:20 PM


Re: Holy thread necromancy, Batman!
I'm not sure honestly, it used to happen all the time and more pronounced, but after i debated these laws here and realized God, i cant say I've felt it much if at all...
perhaps it could be that as long as i was following my will, and not the will of God, that the "judges" (either in my mind from my awareness of an inner battle, or truly sent by God to make me aware of him), were watching me to lead me to a will that was beyond my own, but the will of the Lord.
its a hard topic for me, because its linked to the human mind, and so is God, because God has a consciousness, that you can become aware of, once you have a "true" awareness of him.
but its easy to have what you desire of mind twist the truth, but like a psychic, this is the way God or satan can come to you.
...like i said...hard to explain..but..ok hows this:
when i was in a debate about gravity with "lucy the ape" i kept having a repeating thought: "what if apes are a devolution of man"
i noted it in the conversation, an dismissed it for the time, but it didn't go away, and soon after i was in a debate concerning "lucy" and prompted research and an argument , without m really knowing anything at all until the time came upon me.
when i realized initially in my first debates here, the God was, with no doubt, God came to me, and i was very afraid, and even tried to deny it, but it couldn't be denied, and God made himself known to me, and showed me things through thoughts, and they were true. but also did another come, which said things different, and tempted me to call myself God, because God had revealed the power of true faith to me, and i was afraid. but my heart would not believe the lies, and i claimed with my heart: glory belongs to God! and his will, not mine be done!
but so also did i realize at that time, that there will be men who will in their hearts believe satan. and then knowing the truth of how faith works, call themselves Gods. and do many things. and that as it was written, by their fruits will they be known.
i tell you these things because the "watchers" (judges) may have a great relevance to the coming of God in someones life, even tho telling you these things here may cause men to hate me, or to shrug me off, but even as i said it before, i say it now, not my will, but Gods will be done, and it is in my heart to tell you these things. so as it is, i pray it is Gods will.
Gods will be done, so be it.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 61 of 75 (454917)
02-09-2008 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Larni
02-09-2008 5:03 AM


Re: Holy thread necromancy, Batman!
there is a battle that wages in the hearts of all mankind. the battle is of truth and lies, good and evil.
the judges i believe, are significant to that battle. and when truth and good win, you'll be less likely aware of the judges, but become aware of God.
this is what i feel to be true.
no man is righteous, but only God. Jesus was the very consciousness of God in man. in a verse of the recorded word, a man had asked Jesus "good master, what must i do to inherit the kingdom of heaven?" and Jesus replied: why callest thou me good? there is none good, but the father who is in heaven.
Jesus recognized he was in the body of a man. the living Word was in this body, but he said this so that men would understand, they cannot do as God does. and no man can do as Jesus has.
the truth is very hard to deal with. and evil is also real. but no matter what you decide to accept of mind, if you do not accept it in your heart, you have accepted nothing. and if your heart accepts something., but your mind will not, you have not accepted it.
but when your mind and heart have accepted something, for you, that is true to you.
God IS of true faith. without this faith, nothing is. doubt is poison to faith. and satan is doubt. when man lied to God, God doubted man. and the doubt is satan.
Jesus defeated the doubt. and is the shield between the corruption of doubt to a being of true faith. that is why without Jesus, no one can reunite with God. us in him, and him in God. the marriage of the lamb is the reuniting of a part of the body of God that has denied the body that it lives in. but by grace and faith, can we be reunited.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 63 of 75 (454966)
02-09-2008 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Larni
02-09-2008 2:55 PM


Re: Holy thread necromancy, Batman!
dunno what xianity is.
I'm just observing the relation of the "feeling" of the watchers.
have you ever heard : reality is what you make it?
objective reality is seeing reality for what it truly is, not what it could be.
but what is true reality? when your dealing with a "feeling" in the mind, what can you conclude?
i gave you the truth of my conclusion, based on what i observe as reality, by the presence of the "watchers", and by the apparent disappearance, as it is relative in my mind, from my experience and growth in my search of the truth of reality.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 65 of 75 (455099)
02-10-2008 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Larni
02-10-2008 7:41 AM


Re: Holy thread necromancy, Batman!
i observed the "watchers", the "feeling" of being watched, and at the same time the mental awareness of the "watching" by a panel of "judges".
it was a strange phenomenon.
after debating the law of existence here, the "feeling" of being watched was replaced, by God in my mind, and not the panel of judges.
perceiving reality:
a man walks over to a cup at a store, and exclaims: wow! what a beautiful cup! his wife pick the cup up and notices a slender line along its sides, from where it was molded. she retorts: its a piece of crap. look at the slender line here. if it was a beautiful cup, it would have been formed better. the man without missing a beat said: well thats your opinion, and i have mine.
what is the truth? in reality, the cup is beautiful to those who perceive its beauty. by changing the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 67 of 75 (455103)
02-10-2008 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Larni
02-10-2008 12:45 PM


Re: Holy thread necromancy, Batman!
http://EvC Forum: Before Big Bang God or Singularity -->EvC Forum: Before Big Bang God or Singularity
So you had the feeling of observation and concluded your god is real. That's a pretty hefty conclusion to jump too. What other conclusions could you have made from the availible data?
no. i had the feeling and the mindset of seeing the watchers just the same as you as your initial post stated.
but after debating the laws here, and learning the laws were true, and believing both in my mind, and in my heart, then the judges/watchers apparently have been replaced in my mind by seeing God there, and not the judges/watchers.
the watchers did not bring me to conclusion of God. science did.
but on conclusion, the phenomenon has changed. i didn't consciously prompt either of the phenomenon.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 69 of 75 (455116)
02-10-2008 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Larni
02-10-2008 2:51 PM


Re: Holy thread necromancy, Batman!
im not taking away from your conclusions by concluding mine.
im a realist. if i cannot logically reason something i can't accept it at heart.
i have observed what is real by my own logic, and can come to no other conclusion or explanation.
it is reality as it truly is for me, because for me, only what is real is reality. and the theories suggested are incomplete.
by observing the state of the current universe i can indirectly view the before. and by the motion and evolution logically throw everything into reverse and see there was a "start".
by scrutinizing the start by mathematical logic, the odds are enormous.
my conclusion 100% chance.
other conclusions : literally impossible odds.
im a realist larni. i cannot accept anything without proof. and no one has shown me any proof to the contrary of what i do now believe.
i came to this site looking for faults. looking for evidence. and the evidence that has been shown has only supported my original logic.
i cant change my mind unless other evidence that is logically sound is shown to me.
your field is a study of human behavior and understanding logic's.(if you are indeed a psychologist?) this is my logic.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 71 of 75 (455132)
02-10-2008 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Larni
02-10-2008 4:22 PM


Re: Holy thread necromancy, Batman!
sure your thread
God be with you always,
-Tim Brown

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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