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Topic: Well, I tried to watch LOTR.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 1 of 151 (167079)
12-10-2004 10:14 PM
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It finally made it to tvland. I got through almost 5 minutes of it but then had to turn it off. What a total let down. Any resemblence between the movie and the books appears to be totally accidental. Were the next two as bad as the first? I did feel guilty about not liking it and so tuned back in to check. I showed up at about the time of the conference in Rivendale. Still just drivel and mimicry. Bummer.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 3 of 151 (167090)
12-10-2004 11:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 2 by mikehager
12-10-2004 11:21 PM
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Re: Tolkien
Well,it's on again tomorrow night and Sunday night. I may try one more time, but I gotta admit, my heart really isn't in it. Very, very disappointed.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 22 of 151 (167258)
12-11-2004 8:25 PM
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Well, I tried again. And it still sucks. Poorly done, very disjointed, lousy effects, terrible costuming, way to many strage and unneeded noises. Got as far as Weathertop but that whole enactment was so really bad I gave up. To all those who enjoyed the film, more power to you. I can understand, afterall, some folk enjoy Frozen Yogurt. I guess I'm an Ice Cream person.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 46 of 151 (167386)
12-12-2004 1:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 30 by Silent H
12-12-2004 6:43 AM
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Re: Thats it!
The movie. I felt like I was trapped in a Fox News Production. It will be on again tonight but I don't know if there is any reason to try again. It may well be a problem related to watching it on tv, but I hate going to movie theaters, don't own a DVD player except for the one that came with my latest computer and I've never used, and my only tv is a 30 or so year old Magnavox 13" portable.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Yup. Poorly done lousy effects. It had all the annoying characteristics that Fox includes in all their productions, swooping noises and all. It is why I have a hard time even watching a sports event on Fox. Even the World Series were sheer agony when broadcast by Fox. It may also relate to why I've never been able to play a video game. They simply grate on my nerves and make me horrendously uncomfortable. I found that the technical production was totally overdone. I don't doubt that great effort went into the production, I just think the product would have been improved by leaving all that stuff out. Peter Jackson was well rewarded for the effort he put into these films and I am glad so many enjoyed them. But I'm also very glad that I was watching it on tv where a click of the remote could get me to Citizen Kane. I doubt I could have sat through the experience, no, I know I would not have stayed through the movie if seen in a theater.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 52 of 151 (167400)
12-12-2004 2:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 48 by Silent H
12-12-2004 2:16 PM
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Re: Thats it!
Let me ask this though, does your TV have color? If I remember to put the transparency on and get the blue stripe at the top and the green at the bottom. (a test to determine the age and experience of the audience)
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 54 of 151 (167404)
12-12-2004 2:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 51 by crashfrog
12-12-2004 2:24 PM
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Leaving what out, exactly? The Balrog? The Nazgul riders on their evil wyverns? The ents? The hobbits? Aren't those all kind of important to the story? I didn't make it far enough to see the Balrog, the Ents, or the wyverns. I found the hobits way to thin but that was certainly not a defining issue.
Did you know that Elija Wood is almost as tall as Ian McKellan? No, but then I don't know who either of those people are so that shouldn't be surprising. I assume they are in the movie.
I certainly didn't see any effects that were gratuitous, and nothing would have improved the movie by being left out, as near as I can tell. Well, one example was when the crowd first hid from the Black Riders. There were a buch of bugs and stuff that started crawling on the crowd for some unknown reason. Never did understand the purpose of that. I did miss meeting farmer Maggot and wished they had not left him out.
Is it possible that your TV is adding artifacts to the movie, and making "effects" and "noises" that aren't really there? I wonder if those of you who use video games or watch many movies don't simply take such things in without hearing them. Others have said the same thing relating to Fox when I mention all the strange and unusual noises on any Fox production from News (yeah, right) to sports. They just don't hear them. I did feel that the Black Riders missed the mark. In my vision, they should have looked fair but felt foul, if you know what I mean. 
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 55 of 151 (167405)
12-12-2004 2:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 53 by Silent H
12-12-2004 2:29 PM
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Re: Thats it!
Ah, like this one?
I'm sure Fox would approve.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 60 of 151 (167464)
12-12-2004 6:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 56 by crashfrog
12-12-2004 4:30 PM
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Well, I assumed the size difference between the hobbits and big people was special effects. It never occurred to me it was anything else.
I gotta ask, do you watch a lot of movies? I used to take my daughter and her friends to movies every once in a while. I think the last movie I went to as something I wanted to do was...I can't remember. Do I watch alot of movies? Not really. I cannot remember a single movie I've gone to I enjoyed since the great days of the drive-in. And I can't tell you a single title of any of the movies that played during the very memorable nights at the drive-in. But there are other tales I could tell...
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 61 of 151 (167472)
12-12-2004 6:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 58 by Silent H
12-12-2004 4:39 PM
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Re: Thats it!
By the way there was a reason for the bugs and things coming from the Black riders. It was a visual way to get across the frightening and sickening presence they had about them. I assumed as much but find that both condesending and patronizing, as though I am too stupid to understand evil.
I'm a little confused on why you pictured them looking okay but feeling wrong. Go back to the Inn and the discussion in their room after Frodo's stupidity in the Common Room. It was a comment based on the quote about Aragon, that he look foul yet felt fair. Evil does not succeed by looking foul. Evil succeeds by looking fair. And that is the threat IMHO that we in the US are facing right now. (Admins: since the LOTR is meant as a commentary on life I don't think this is too OT) Today there are many forces similar to Mordor. They are succeeding by seeming fair. They go under the guise of returning Morality, a return to a Christian Society. I believe the Black Riders should have seemed far more normal (after all their steeds were normal horses) if the real horror was going to be revealed. We don't have to worry about evil that appears as evil, that can be recognized. It is the evil that appears fair we have to fear.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 63 of 151 (167513)
12-12-2004 7:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 62 by lfen
12-12-2004 7:41 PM
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Well, if you don't like movies that much in the first place why did you watch LOTR? Well, I felt it was mandatory. Kind of a rite of passage. I don't want to give the impression that I don't like movies. There are quite a few movies I've enjoyed over the years, many I'd like to see again. I'd love to see Orfeu Negro again as well as Never on Sunday. But the LOTR simply bored me.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Thats it!
I've always said when speaking of Christianity, "Thank GOD Christ was a Jew."
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 113 of 151 (171701)
12-27-2004 10:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 112 by nator
12-27-2004 10:26 AM
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Re: Thats it!
Well that's the only place I am ever likely to see it. Anyway, the things that I criticized would be exactly the same on the big screen. And where do you get off calling my entertainment center crappy?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 116 of 151 (171706)
12-27-2004 10:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 115 by nator
12-27-2004 10:42 AM
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Like movies, hate theaters.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 121 of 151 (171754)
12-27-2004 3:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 119 by nator
12-27-2004 11:49 AM
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Re: Jar, here is my tip for you
Well, I will readily admit they have yet to make the movie I'd pay $18.00 to see. LOL
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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