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Minnemooseus
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Message 3 of 15 (272679)
12-25-2005 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by jar
12-25-2005 5:24 PM


Re: As a Republican
I believe Russ is tagged with the dreaded "liberal" label. And perhaps he is a liberal.
But this just illustrates the worthlessness of many political labels. In many ways the so called "liberals" are more conservative (in the traditional sense) that the so called "conservatives".
But I don't think Jar is a Republican. You are an Independent, or perhaps a Progressive. You are willing to vote for or against a candidate regardless of what party or other political label is put on him or her.
Like Russ Feingold, there have (IMO) been other bright light presidental candidates in the past. Eugene McCarthy in the late 60's, John Anderson back in the early 80's, and Dennis Kucinich in the most recent election. And I'm most likely forgetting some.
It sure seems that it's possible to elect a truly bad president, but is it possible to elect a truly great president? And even if a candidate with real "greatness potential" somehow gets elected, will the system permit him/her to achieve that greatness? I am not optimistic, but maybe we can have a great George W. Bush backlash.
Moose
{Edit - Added Dennis Kucinich Wiki link.}
Added by second edit:
From Dennis Kucinich - Wikipedia:
2004 presidential campaign
His platform included the socialization of many services and great expansion of federal authority and power. Specifically, it included:
1. Immediate withdrawal from the WTO and NAFTA.
2. Moving U.S. troops out of Iraq and replacing them with UN peacekeepers.
3. Ending the drug war.
4. Abolishing the death penalty.
5. Preventing the privatization of social security.
6. Ratifying the ABM Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.
7. Introducing reforms to bring about instant-runoff voting.
8. Creating a single-payer system of universal health care.
9. Creating a cabinet-level "Department of Peace"
10. Legalizing same-sex marriage.
11. Repealing the USA PATRIOT Act.
12. Full social security benefits at age 65.
13. Environmental renewal and clean energy.
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Minnemooseus
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Message 14 of 15 (274032)
12-29-2005 10:35 PM


The senator to president transition problem, etc.
Something I was vaguely aware of, but that was further pointed out somewhere on NPR earlier today.
There have been only 2 Presidents to come out of the Senate (I understand that to mean active Senators becoming President). They are John F. Kennedy and (IIRC) Warren G. Harding. I don't know about Presidents coming out of the House of Representatives.
A big problem senators have, is that they have a prominent and relevant voting record that can be used against them, either legitimatly or via distortions.
Most of our recent Presidents were governors - Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and now George W. Bush. They don't have that voting record to haunt them, the question is, it this another way of saying that they have little or no experience in dealing with federal issues.
Bottom line - A Senator may make a better President, but a Governor tends to be more electable.
Now, Russ Feingold.
I think he probably has a solid record as a Senator. To what degree that will work for or against him is the question. I guess I can hope that his strong record against things GWB, combined with a hard anti GWB / Neo-con backlash, might get him elected.
Moose

  
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