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contracycle
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Message 10 of 62 (143595)
09-21-2004 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by paisano
09-21-2004 9:38 AM


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I don't think Bush was lying. At most he acted hastily based on erroneous intelligence assessments...but then, so did Kerry/Edwards, who both voted to authorize use of force against Iraq. And Blair of the UK, for that matter.
No, he lied. Even Colin Powell initially refused to present "this bullshit" to the UN. This whole exercise was a deliberate and purposeful lie - and one which was continued as shown when Ruimsfeld et al were still asserting links between AQ and Iraq despite no existing evidence. Which they knew.
And Blair undoubtedly lied, and cannot even be given the charitable benefit of stupidy that might be offered to Bush.

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contracycle
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Message 18 of 62 (143637)
09-21-2004 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Phat
09-21-2004 11:03 AM


Re: Power Corrupts
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Dubya comes from one of Americas most powerful families. They
Oh, its much more incestuous than that:
Candidates have same Essex ancestor
Julian Borger in Washington
Tuesday September 21, 2004
The Guardian
It is perhaps not surprising that the battle between George Bush and John Kerry has turned so nasty - it is, after all, a family affair. Both men are descendants of the same Essex man.
Their common ancestor was a member of the minor Essex gentry called Edmund Reade who was born and died in Wickford without ever seeing the New World his offspring would fight over 400 years later.
However, Reade's daughters, Elizabeth and Margaret, both sailed to New England with their mother, probably in the 1630s. Both had married into powerful families, Winthrop and Lake, who ultimately begot the two presidential candidates.
The common heritage makes the president and Senator Kerry ninth cousins, twice removed, according to Gary Boyd Roberts, a Massachusetts genealogist who has researched their family backgrounds.
"They were part of the upper classes in the 1560s and they are still part of the upper classes," Mr Roberts said, but pointed out that Mr Kerry has more "cosmopolitan" elements in his family tree.
His father's side of the family were Jews from the Austro-Hungarian empire who converted to Catholicism and changed their name from Khn to Kerry before emigrating to America in 1904.
Mr Bush, the son of a former president and grandson of a senator, can trace his lineage to the Mayflower immigrants, and to some of the oldest families in the country. The only exotic element is a "sliver of Swiss and German on his mother's side", Mr Roberts said.
The Essex connection is the closest bloodline linking the candidates, but they have seven other common ancestors
Candidates have same Essex ancestor | World news | The Guardian
300 years of democracy and still ruled by English blue-bloods.
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