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Monk
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Message 23 of 41 (190812)
03-09-2005 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Loudmouth
03-09-2005 4:08 PM


Re: Representatives
Mr Jack writes:
For most things (except for concepts that indeed are a matter of consensus--definitions, for instance), I would think that it is obvious that the truth of anything is quite independent of how many believe the thing to be true.
I agree
Loudmouth writes:
I think it is legitimate to have a deist as a representative, or at least someone who is sympathetic to the mindset. Jodie Foster's character was not sympathetic to the religious mindset so the comment was not inappropriate.
I would agree with this also. To me the operative word is representative. One serving as an example of a larger group.
And to avoid perpetuating a falsehood or in the least, an exaggeration, here is a graphic dated 2002 that indicates the 95% number is actually closer to 86% as previously posted by ohnai. The data is a division of the worlds population and is footnoted as an "approximate estimate".

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Monk
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Message 28 of 41 (190824)
03-09-2005 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by ohnhai
03-09-2005 6:45 PM


Re: Representatives
ohnai writes:
Ok so we have decided to send a religious person to represent us to aliens, as they represent the majority of the population. So In this regard, which religious belief, do you choose to represent everyone else? Remember there is only one seat.
Why would you need to subdivide the characteristic of religous belief? Why must there be a choice? Suffice to say that a significant majority of the population of this blue marble has a belief in a deity or deities, and the selected representative has a likewise belief.

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Monk
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Message 32 of 41 (190928)
03-10-2005 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by ohnhai
03-10-2005 3:52 AM


Re: Representatives
ohnai writes:
If you make the distinction between Theist and Atheist claiming the theist is more proportionally representative then surely you must carry that thinking on into the religions themselves.
No, you don’t need to carry it on. Again, there is no need to dissect the characteristic into increasingly smaller divisions. Having a belief in God is an attribute which has the broadest commonality among the group in question, that group being the population of the Earth. It is that commonality among the population which is why the selected representative should also have that attribute.
ohnai writes:
If you are going to play the numbers game then play it fairly.
Then why stop at religious belief? Why not examine physical characteristics? How tall is the representative? Is their height sufficiently close to the average height of the world’s population? What about average height in the US? In Europe? And on and on...
If you start down the slippery slope of dissecting each and every characteristic of the individual, the selection committee will ultimately come to the conclusion that there is no individual that can be found who has all of the examined attributes in acceptable proportions.
So the selection committee concludes that no representative can be sent on this historic mission. Instead, it is agreed that the following message would be sent:
"We, the people of Earth, regret that we were unable to decide on which being of our species could best represent our planet. Please accept this communication in exchange. Have a nice day and please visit us sometime."

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