Wyatt's Museum and the shape of Noah's Ark

Raz,I think we've argued this into the ground, I've got my moon pools lowered, and grateful for you explaining how the anchor stones are off the bow, makes perfect sense, for it all allows the ark to be part submarine(water ballast), and still float, for stones would of settled below the wave base, actually acting like a brake, anchored in waters not moving below the wave base, so the waves would be pushing the bow and not the tail, It is sure interesting how the sciences behind an enclosed moon pool is being used to generate electricity in those japanese buoy's, etc...P.S. The ark probably could of survived the perfect storm cause it wasn't designed like any other boat, likely submarining through a square wave, because of the anchor stones off the bow, etc... I know your going to disagree, but think its time to take a rest, got my moon pools back, thank God for them Japanese buoy's, etc...

Stone relics which originated in the area in which they were found. I wonder why Noah traveled to Ararat for rocks?

Do you really think that the water in a wave moves with the wave? micro electricity current is totally different from your pumping needs as described. You have too many systems working at cross purposes for any of them to work.Enjoy your fantasy land.

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Raz, Thought I saw on some documentary, that submarines in a hurricane simply dive below the waves on the surface, a couple of hundred feet down, so would think waves are the surface that your concerned about, and to be anchored beneath these waters, rather that to be anchored in these waters, etc...Your parachutes would of been anchored in the wave not below the wave by your picture, perhaps why Noah used stones (stones would sink), etc...I do like those japanese buoy's for electricity generation, its not a fantasy, they are actually being built, harnessing the wave energy, they have a moon pool, and don't sink, we don't know for sure if the ark had a moon pool, those darn people in Turkey wouldn't let Ron Wyatt dig an archeological tell of the site, kinda conflicting cause they said they didn't believe its the ark, it kinda a shame, cause Ron would of known what to be looking for, to confirm the moon pool, by fossil imprinted evidence's, I agree that the japanese buoy's scientifically support's my fantasy, a moon pool chamber not sinking off the wave energies(awesome), this means an inclosed boat can have a moon pool and not sink if properly designed, this opens the door to the RAM pumps being utilized to the providing of running water, all possible thousands of years ago, simple water ballasts, etc...P.S. I'm just going to agree to disagree with your fantasies too, etc... I'm tired of this string, but grateful that you helped me understand the importance of the anchor stones being on the bow of the boat, if Ron Wyatt was correct in that the ark had a moon pool, and a separate internal ballast, kinda makes sense though that all the creatures crawled up a sprial walkway, around the moon pool to gain entrance into the ark, and once closing the side door, it would simply been a part of the moon pool, etc...

Repeat the question hoping for an answer ...: Do you?The japanese bouys also do not have massive ventilation from inside them and have very small electrical needs. The energy is there for little work to be done, the energy is not there to do the massive work your system needs. I never said that there was no energy, just insufficient.In a submarine you have the opportunity to move from a high wind and rough wave environment capable of causing damage and sea-sickness to one of stable motion - an obvious move for comfort and control.A system that would try to tie a floating boat to such a level would add stress to tear the boat apart.Try some reality checks.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
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I think he has a point Raz that you really need to admit. The ARK as he describes would behave exactly like the Submarine. At the first wave it would dive to several hundred feet beneath the surface.About the only difference I can see is that it would never return to the surface.

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Raz, I never thought of it that way, do you think its possible with sea anchors anchored below the waves, that the ark too never moved, if the ark wasn't in currents, etc...If so then it explains why the sea anchors appear native to the area, though the rocks should be tested, to confirm if they are native or not, too many questions, but it would support that the winds didn't blow until after the flood water stopped raining, and that the ark got snagged in the mountains of Ararat before the currents could wash the ark to the sea, as the waters flowed by gravity continually to the sea (the valleys prepared by God for the waters), (kjv psalm 104:8), etc...Where I'm from we're worried at times by the direction of the wind blowing the surface estuary waters down the throat of the estuary and causing a potential flood watch, waters piling, driven by the winds, so if the water in the wave is not moving above the lower waters, how come the waters pile, it seems to me that the water in the waves are driven by the winds, etc...P.S. The moon pool would act as an air pump, so it would work fine for building internal pressures, to the lowering of the moon pool level, if it dove into a wave, it wouldn't be sucking air, the air pressure would be bleeding out the restricted roof vents, and when it rose out of the wave it would suck air, excess water leakage flowing to the lowered moon pool, etc...[This message has been edited by whatever, 05-01-2004]

no. The wind pressure is pushing on the mass of water and shifting the mass downwind. Each particle of water moves very little, except during breaking waves and from spindrift. Over long enough fetch you can get wind induced current, and while it is slower than the waves, it would add to the pileup aspects. Why is there a wake behind surfers? Because the water is not moving with the wave. On a world wide flood you would have unrestricted fetch and there would be current moving the ark no matter how deep the rocks hung.Your moon pool concept is compromised by ventilation needs for the animals no matter how you cut it. To have ventilation you have no pressure, to have pressure you have no ventilation. One OR the other, but not both.To have enough energy to pump water over the sides it must let in more water than it pumps out. Conservation of energy rules it out. It won't work well enough to get a net positive result.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
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I kinda accept your wave thing, sorta supports the anchor stones being native, with the waters continually erupting out the atlantic mid ocean ridges (hydroplate theory), you wouldn't have a continuous world fetch, it would simply be pressing the waters back, like piling up of the waters with a wind, this doesn't support your unrestricted fetch, as it would run into a massive pile up of waters pressed back by the erupting waters near the mid-ocean ridges, etc...I feel it would be more forced air ventilation, the animals heat causing the lower air to rise (cattle, and larger creatures on lower levels, and birds on higher levels to aid ballast and ventilation), and the cooler air drawn in causing normal ventilation, as the moon pool chamber level fluctuations drawing in and exhausting air. If the ark didn't have a moon pool, cool air would settle through roof vents and hot air would exhaust, but with forced air ventilation, it would work in tandom with the moon pool air pump, with no restriction on air drawn in, but restrictions on amount of air exhaled, it could be adjusted to maintain desired moon pool level, etc...If the moon pool level drops because of an increase in air pressure within the ark, then you wouldn't need a RAM pump to siphon wastes out the side, though it would be great to have an ark that had running water to flush wastes, to the lowered moon pool, and water for the creatures. With a greater pressure in the ark, you could also simply siphon wastes out the roof with no problem, pressure greater inside than outside the ark, etc...[This message has been edited by whatever, 05-01-2004]

for some reason I think more and more of the fantastic metal steam driven spider mechanism portrayed in the Wild Wild West movie than a boat. It just gets more uncredible.Don't forget that the waters from the deep (hydrolplates? not shown) get turned off after the initial deposit 40 day/night period, and the mixing of waters and fetch and current and wind are unhindered by any such flows, however fantastical you want to make them.{{edited to remove picture}}[This message has been edited RAZD, 05-03-2004]

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we are limited in our ability to understand
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Raz, I don't see deep underwater currents like world wide fetch happening, cause the oceans dropped and the mountains rose, so the waters over the continents would just flow back to the sea, kinda begs the question would the surface waters flow faster than the waters 200 feet down, meaning the anchor stones might still of kept the ark pointed into the current, but likely little underwater fetch occurring, kinda like whats happening at Niagra Falls, all this water flowing over the falls, but likely not affecting any undercurrents until the water gets close to the Falls, etc...P.S. The bible doesn't say the ark had a moon pool, it didn't say it had anchor stones, but that doesn't mean it didn't have them, we will probably never know in this life, but it makes the bible a bit more interesting, that Ron wasn't pulling our leg that its possible to have a moon pool, the Japanese are capitalizing on this principle in generating electricity on their buoy's, etc... I just see no other reason for them anchor stones being found in the vicinity of the Ark, too me, it means the ark was snagged by the mountains of Ararat, and that all the ropes broke causing the anchor stones to be strewn over a 12 to 14 mile area, except for the one anchor stone found near the ark , giving more credibility too me that Ron Wyatt actually found Noah's ark, etc...

Your willingness to cling to an extremely farfetched concept (or three) is truly amazing to watch. You seem to have made a major personal investment in these ideas, regardless of how unreasonable they may be.You could also claim that the ark was kept in a bubble of safety, that it was regularly flushed and watered by a perfectly designed wave and pumped by a mini-waterspout.It is no less fantastic than what you keep repeating, and it doesn't require fantastic appurtenances and contrivances.I think you desperately want the stones to be real anchors, so you will take anything no matter how ridiculous as long as it requires the stones to be involved.That is not science.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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I can't strand talking to a wall and whatever is a very large one.
Got your email RAZD, but reply got an undeliverable message.
Last time on this thread for me....
Rocks are not sea anchors! The ark never was! The Flood has no evidence to support it!
Ah, better. Off to get my boat ready to splash.

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And if it was, GOD was a failure as a marine engineer.

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Well, I guess that as a house builder does not make a good boatbuilder, then a universe architect makes a poor naval architect?

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