GOP FRAUD

With the facts? I realize that.

Neither you nor I know what the chief causative factors in terrorist recruitment are.

Funny, it seems obvious to me. It's the same reason the poorest states in the country all came out to vote against equal rights for gay people.

So the real issue here is that you either have no knowledge of geography or - more likely considering your evasion of my primary point - you are simply being dishonest.

Neither you nor Kerry, really offer much more than Monday-mornig quarterbacking, and that's a key reason he lost.

We are in Iraq now, like it or not... If it is vital that we win now that we are there, we must pay any price, bear any burden, until either we win or are utterly defeated.

Are you just going to dismiss it or ignore it?

ndeed, the only issue on which the survey found broad agreement between the two sets of voters was on the question of whether the Bush administration itself has been actively propagating the misconceptions about Iraq’s WMD and connections to al QaedaOne of the reasons that Bush supporters have these (erroneous) beliefs is that they perceive the Bush administration confirming them, noted Steven Kull, PIPA’s director. Interestingly, this is one point on which Bush and Kerry supporters agree. .

The survey found that 72 percent of Bush supporters believe either that Iraq had actual WMD (47 percent) or a major program for producing them (25 percent), despite the widespread media coverage in early October of the Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) (CIA (news - web sites)’s) Duelfer Report, the final word on the subject by the one billion dollar, 15-month investigation by the Iraq Survey Group.It found that that Hussein had dismantled all of his WMD programs shortly after the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites) and had never tried to reconstitute them.Nonetheless, 56 percent of Bush supporters said they believed that most experts currently believe that Iraq had actual WMD, and 57 percent said they thought that the Duelfer Report had itself concluded that Iraq either had WMD (19 percent) or a major WMD program (38 percent).Only 26 percent of Kerry supporters, by contrast, said they believed that pre-war Iraq had either actual WMD or a WMD program, and only 18 percent said they believed that most experts agreed.Similar results were found with respect to Hussein’s alleged support for al Qaeda, a theory that has been most persistently asserted by Vice president Dick Cheney (news - web sites), but that was thoroughly debunked by the final report of the bipartisan 9/11 Commission earlier this summer.Seventy-five percent of Bush supporters said they believed that Iraq was providing substantial support to Al Qaeda, with 20 percent asserting that Iraq was directly involved in the 9/11 attacks on New York and the Pentagon (news - web sites). Sixty-three percent of Bush supporters even believed that the clear evidence of such support has actually been found, and 60 percent believe that most experts have reached the same conclusion.By contrast, only 30 percent of Kerry supporters said they believe that such a link existed and that most experts agree.But large majorities of both Bush and Kerry supporters agree that the administration is saying that Iraq had WMD and was providing substantial support to al Qaeda. In regard to WMD, those majorities have actually grown since last summer, according to PIPA.On WMD, 82 percent of Bush supporters and 84 percent of Kerry supporters believed that the administration is saying that Iraq either had WMD or major WMD programs. On ties with al Qaeda, 75 percent of Bush supporters and 74 percent of Kerry supporters believe that the administration is saying that Iraq provided substantial support to the terrorist group.Remarkably, asked whether the U.S. should have gone to war with Iraq if U.S. intelligence had concluded that Baghdad did not have a WMD program and was not providing support to al Qaeda, 58 percent of Bush supporters said no, and 61 percent said they assumed that Bush would also not have gone to war under those circumstances.