EvC Forum: Israel-Palestine: The One State Solution

First, it does not seem in line with my view of a democratic state that it should be based on ethnic or religious segregation (i.e. Jewish versus Arab). It doesn't seem healthy at all.

There are many Palestine's in Israel. The Israel treated those who didn't flee as citizens of Israel whereas those who did were effectively exiled from their homeland.

People distinguish themselves according to those attributes that they most identify. The negative is the same.

Israel is like a family boxed in house in the wild west with Indians circling them. The palestine's see Israel as a great oppressor who is responsible for the violating of their peoples home land and the cause for them living in refuge camps for now generations.

You can not have hero without a villian.

The differences are real.

Second, I am not sure that the 1967 borders are particularly valid. I really don't see how the 1948 invasion was justifiable so I suppose I don't really see how Israel has the right to exist (other than by making facts on the ground, that it DOES exist, so its citizens have the right to continue living in the land which I view to have been occupied illegitimately in 1948, but upon which they happen to have been born).

The issue of Sovireignty is ruled power. The reality is that they are there now. And it is their home. If you use the same rule to test virtually any nation on earth, unless they were the actual first people to get there then well you get the picture.

Third, with the building of the "security wall" and the fact that a future Palestine appears to occupy non-contiguous space, I do not feel very hopeful that that a two state solution is even logistically possible.Third, with the building of the "security wall" and the fact that a future Palestine appears to occupy non-contiguous space, I do not feel very hopeful that that a two state solution is even logistically possible.

Yes this is a real obstacle.

This has led me to reconsider the one-state solution. Sadly, the one state solution is basically what existed before the second world war, where jews and arabs lived (relatively) happily together. It doesn't seem very politically practical, since Israel is bent on a curiously ethnocentric definition of the Nation and fear demographic "swamping" by the Palestinians. However the one state solution might better live up to the dreams of the Zionists that they find a safe and happy homeland. It is an interesting fact that, as a Jew, the most dangerous place to live in the world right now is Israel. What a failure of the Zionist project.

Israel is ethnocentric? An Israeli is an Israeli not a Jew. But there are many Jews there now. They have a unique cultural identity and it is the dominant cultural identity. Surrounded by threats of annihilation.

Israel maybe the most dangerous place for Jew right now I don't know. But remember the identity of these people is persecution. Everywhere. The Black community has not forgot their plight. Though hope for the future is always there.

I was just wondering if anybody else has any ideas about the viability of the one state solution. I know that it is an idealistic dream but doesn't it seem in principle the "best" outcome?

It with have to go other highly likely prospect that the Jews will be heavily persecuted if this happens. I do not think that this happening is the ideal solution.

Nextly the two state solution is probably the both the most realistic and conducive to the Israeli people. The Palestine's are likely to endure civil strife for a long time to come. Violence begets more violence.

Either way interms of the 2-state viability being un achievable this is false. I remember the presence of hope when Yasa Arafat, Bill Clinton and the Israeli prime minister went into negotiations. They were offered far more than anybody thought that Israel would ever offer. And they turned it down. Times will have to change, which they will. I believe that the 2-State is both better and more viable. Possibly times issue that Israel will get over their nationalism. Don't think so though.

P:S to be an Israeli does not mean to be a Jew.

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Perhaps when Humanity as a whole stops being human then you can elevate yourself to a higher level of rationale than others. Oh and

yourself.

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