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Rob 
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Message 26 of 126 (322439)
06-16-2006 10:42 PM


Gotta love it!
I don't see the need to even remain open-minded about such nonsense! Everybody knows that the Bible is made up, and there was certianly no Ark as Per Noah!
Which one of you said you haven't reached a conclusion??? You better!
Do you know what it would mean if it were true? Why untold thousands of high-minded scientific people would have to re-sift all the facts that they thought meant one thing... into another.
You gotta love the fact... that it's possible!
Well, I do anyway! Sorry for the sarcasm, I just can't help it.
Rob

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Message 28 of 126 (322446)
06-16-2006 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by jar
06-16-2006 10:52 PM


Re: Bob Cornuke and Rob Wyatt Cranksterism
there is NO evidence to debunk.
I hope it is OK for me to step in here jar. I just couldn't help but notice that your tone is absolute in nature. You may well be right in your analysis, that I concede from the outset. But if you are, then someone else is wrong. And with truth being an abstraction and relative, I don't understand the fundamental aura of your opining.
Would you care to stay open-minded and consider the possiblity, even if it would mean a total reassesment of your current (yet tentative)wourldview?

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Message 32 of 126 (322454)
06-16-2006 11:42 PM
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06-16-2006 11:20 PM


Re: Bob Cornuke and Rob Wyatt Cranksterism
Now someday someone may come up with some evidence that would lead me to change that position. I freely admit that.
Thank you jar, you are far more reasonable a man than I thought. I am sorry for judging you.
That is the common atribute between us. There is no evidence, as yet, that can compete with my experience (meeting God as Jesus promised we could). So I will confess that I am a fundamentalist (with an open mind). I would have to place you in the same catagory with the only difference being, that you haven't met God (as Jesus promised we could) and therefore we are at odds in our fundamental positions.
Please refrain from viewing the Christian position as a fundamentalist position (in a derogatory sense) in the future, since all positions are fundamental by definition.
The only non-fundamental position is that of the non-opinionated!
I do think I understand. May we heal some wounds for the sake of honesty and simply watch the story of the latest attempt to document Noah's Ark, as it unfolds.
Thank you, and may God richly bless you, Rob

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Message 36 of 126 (322461)
06-17-2006 12:25 AM
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06-17-2006 12:13 AM


Re: Off topic but gotta respond.
I see those as a misuse of the gifts GOD gave us and the charges he has made, as blasphemy and a supreme act of hubris.
Fundamentalist position???
The defense has no further questions your honor...

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Message 37 of 126 (322464)
06-17-2006 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by arachnophilia
06-17-2006 12:08 AM


Re: Bob Cornuke and Rob Wyatt Cranksterism
jar is more of a moderate.
Then he really doesn't have a problem that I interpret the words of our Lord differently than the two of you?
He doesn't strongly disagree?
Spinning a web are we?
Do you have an opinion on the outcome of this noah's Ark story?

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Message 39 of 126 (322468)
06-17-2006 12:44 AM
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06-17-2006 12:35 AM


Re: Bob Cornuke and Rob Wyatt Cranksterism
though, i'd have to say, it'd be unlikely.
The easiest thing to bet on is the skeptical angle, becasue all things are always doubtable...
Rene Descartes... 'the only thing I can't doubt, is that there is a doubter doing the doubting.'
Some people need to be there... The rest can go there...
He who has an ear, let him hear...
Noah and his ark were as real as the sea! This latest story might not prove it. but it won't disprove it either!

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Message 41 of 126 (322473)
06-17-2006 1:03 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by rgb
06-17-2006 12:47 AM


Re: Gotta love it!
You see, some of us actually have very good reasons to ignore the flood story.
That's good! Good for you!

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Message 43 of 126 (322475)
06-17-2006 1:10 AM
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06-17-2006 12:13 AM


Re: Off topic but gotta respond.
Since I am a Christian of course I do not see the Christian position in a derogatory fashion.
Of course not! After all Jesus was a reasonable guy... 'Hey whatever makes you happy man!' I can't remember chapter and verse, but I'm sure He said it.
Some people think He was a fanatic, even demon posessed. They pretend that that is why He was crucified. But we all know it was because he got along with everyone and told people what they wanted to hear.
For example, He said, 'Scripture cannot be broken'. Which means that Noah's Ark is a true story!
What? I'm confused...
LOL

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Message 46 of 126 (322481)
06-17-2006 1:57 AM
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06-17-2006 1:50 AM


Re: Off topic but gotta respond.
For example, He (Jesus) said, 'Scripture cannot be broken'. Which means that Noah's Ark is a true story!
If you could actually give a reference for that, people would be able to examine the context, and then have a better idea as to whether it has any implications for the "Noah's Ark" story.
It would be my pleasure...
John 10:22-38
22 Then came the Feast of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple area walking in Solomon's Colonnade. 24 The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." 25 Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one." 31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." 34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35 If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken-- 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? 37 Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
(NIV)

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Message 47 of 126 (322487)
06-17-2006 2:33 AM
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06-17-2006 1:50 AM


Re: Off topic but gotta respond.
For example, He said, 'Scripture cannot be broken'. Which means that Noah's Ark is a true story!
According to Jesus...
nwr, I have to confess... When I first became a Christian (apporx 2 yrs ago) and began to fear that much of the bible was true, I still thought that evolution was a fact!
This particular passage troubled me greatly. I tried all kinds of ways to rationalize it away.
The imlications are clear, and as with all things that Jesus said, this one only leaves a man with a black and white decision. He was a master at eliminating double-mindedness.
He forces a fundamentalist decision, and the stakes are the epitome of life and death. Not just relatively in this life, but eternally.
The relavance of Noahs Ark; or, creationism vs. evolution are actually pale in comparison to the greater test of honesty in general within the heart of each man...
Sorry for the prophetic tone, but this isn't a subject we want to get wrong. The impact on humanity; it's past and future, is of the highest magnitude.
All of us should think very carefully. Examining not just the opposition, but our own desparately wicked hearts.
ps. don't forget to analize this bit:EvC Forum: The definition of science: What should it be?
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

Any biters in the stream?

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