Phelps clan sued for $11 million

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net According to Jon, it is censorship and suppression of rights to stop someone from barging into your home, standing in front of your TV, holding signs, and yelling at you for the various failings in your life.Except for maybe that whole privacy thing.OR tresspassing for that matter.Freedom of speech does not protect you if in the execution of that speech you break OTHER laws that protect peoples privacy and/or other rights per the 9th Ammendment.

No, Chiro. The difference is very simple, which can quickly be understood in two distinguishing terms. Private and public. Funerals are private functions.If the Phelps clan wanted to stand on a sidewalk chanting all sorts of horrible things, they could technically do that, with a few stipulations. They likely would need a permit first, depending on that city's ordinance, and they could not impede or obstruct passerby's that wished to utilize the public sidewalk.

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“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

So are you saying the Snyder's funeral was a public event?
Or that the funerals for homosexuals are public?What Chiro was hinting at (if I may be so bold as to speak for him) is the hypocrisy between doing something about preventing people from interfering in a soldier's funeral and doing nothing to prevent people from interfering in other funerals.It's hypocrisy because both events are private (unless advertised as being a public event). Phelps is allowed to interfere in one funeral but not another?

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Thank God for $10.9M!!!
WBC Prayed for it to be $109M!!!
WBC will still preach at funerals!!

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Thank you america! You propped up the pudgy-faced God hater to carry your water for you, with the stated goal of bankrupting WBC so we can't preach! Guess what? In less than 24 hours our words have been spread to every corner of the earth via media outlets we couldn't PAY to publish our message. Yes indeed, there are the words, in bright, bold color every place you look, in every corner of the earth. We would have paid $10.9 billion for that kind of coverage!

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Guess what else. As long as the Lord our God gives us breath, and He continues to kill your G.I. Joe wannabe brat kids, we will still preach at funerals. Take everything we own, and we'll still preach everywhere the Holy Ghost bids us go! We don't need your filthy money. As our forefathers the prophets did, so will we

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"They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented" (Heb. 11:37).

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We keep telling you this, and you keep disregarding it, but we'll tell you one more time. The only way you're going to stop this preaching is to kill us all, and if God allows you to accomplish that, it is only because He is about to draw His sword upon all of you.

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Neither. It was a private function, which makes the Phelps clan in violation to that. I think interfering at any funeral procession should be illegal. I don't know of any funeral that is public, or if it is, that it was advertised as a public viewing.But even still, people can't just say or act however they feel, thinking that the first amendment will allow them to. They still run the risk of disorderly conduct. I didn't know that Phelps has done this to other funerals, though knowing him, I certainly wouldn't put it past him. I for one think he is entirely wrong, regardless of who it is.

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“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

Close enough for government work.I actually don't know whether it is now illegal to protest at anyone's funeral -- I think some jurisdictions have passed more general laws.But I do note that it took the outrage of protesting against America's Heros to get these laws passed. Evidently, dead gay kids just didn't warrant more than, "Well, that's the First Amendment for you. What can you do?"

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Computers have cut-and-paste functions. So does right-wing historical memory. -- Rick Perlstein

Jon responds to me:

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Ahh... so it's just another one of those freedom-limiting bills that congress has recently been sliding through as if on ice.

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Incorrect. In fact, the exact opposite. It's one of those freedom-expanding bills that have been enacted. It expands my right to privacy.Why do I have to give up my privacy just because you want to be a prick? Where else do you propose one should hold a funeral? I've paid for the use of the space. Nobody is stopping you from making your voice heard.Just not in my private space. Your right to speech does not come with the right to an audience.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Jon responds to kuresu:

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Our Supreme Court said one of our most precious rights is to be left alone

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Which one is that?

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Um, you do know how to read English, yes? The right you're looking for is the one that comes right after the word "is." "Is" is a verb indicating a state of being, equating the two nouns on either side.

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How are we to know which ones they think should be left alone if they don't tell us what they're talking about?

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That's the point behind the "judicial power" that's mentioned in the Constitution: To interpret the Constitution and tell us what it means. You're not about to whine that "the right to be 'left alone' isn't mentioned anywhere in the Constitution!" are you?Of course it isn't. It isn't supposed to. You have actually read the Constitution, yes? Have you forgotten the Ninth and Tenth Amendments already? The Ninth is particularly important: But the Tenth expands on this concept: In short, the Constitution is not a laundry list. You have rights that aren't mentioned in the Constitution. Just because they aren't mentioned doesn't mean they don't exist or aren't Constitutionally guaranteed.

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As is typical, they are just being a bunch of long-winded, content-free politicians; trying to justify their restrictions of certain guaranteed freedoms by babbling endless streams of rubbish.

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As is typical, you're just a slow-minded, thought-free blowhard; trying to justify your simplistically false conceptualization of the Constitution by regurgitating endless streams of refuted crap.Now that we have the ad hominem out of the way....

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Ahh... So was that Amendment 3 they violated?

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That would be the Ninth and Tenth.You have read the Constitution, haven't you? You remember Griswold v. Connecticut, yes? The SCOTUS ruled that the Ninth Amendment includes the right of privacy with regard to married couples wishing to use birth control.In 1969, the SCOTUS rules that there is a right to privacy with regard to possession of pornography, citing the First and Fourth. Roe v. Wade declares a right to privacy with regard to medical decisions.This idea that the Constitution doesn't protect a right to privacy simply because the phrase, "right to privacy," isn't to be found is to be disingenuous at best.

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Oh... silly me, forgot the disclaimer at the bottom of the constitution: Thou shalt not hate.

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Huh? You're free to hate all you want.You just don't get to do it in my house or in the facility that I have rented for my use.

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Ptah! Censorship galore!

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What censorship? Nobody is preventing Phelps from speaking. Nobody jailed him for his speech.Your right to speech does not come with a right to an audience.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

kuresu writes:

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What Chiro was hinting at (if I may be so bold as to speak for him) is the hypocrisy between doing something about preventing people from interfering in a soldier's funeral and doing nothing to prevent people from interfering in other funerals.

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While I agree, I should point out the fine details:There were already state laws on the books in various states preventing picketing during a funeral. The "Fallen Heroes" law is a federal law concerning picketing at national cemetaries.Personally, I like the Phelps' reaction teams methodology: When you learn that they're coming to town, you immediately set up a fundraiser where people pledge an amount for every minute/hour they're protesting. All funds are to go to support the very people Phelps and his clan are trying to intimidate. Thus, his very presence ends up benefitting the people he's trying to shut down.This has proven to be very successful and often ends up driving him away.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

I stand corrected. Thanks.

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Computers have cut-and-paste functions. So does right-wing historical memory. -- Rick Perlstein