la brea tar pits/ humphreys

I have been trying to follow the discussion on Humphrey's helium retention studies,as well as his creation theory.(the water ball and all that) I would like to check out his book starlight and time(i think that was the title)
What is the opinion around here towards his ideas? Could they have merit? I know one thing, it is sure cool to see someone thinking outside the box and being creative (even if he is wrong in the end). I'm curious about the la brea tar pits. I was hoping for some accurate up-to-date information on this, resources, etc. What is the most current work done in this area? I get intimidated doing searches because of the volume of misinformation/misinterpretations out there
I read that the bones discovered had some weird characteristics.....no soft tissue, and super packed together, etc.....What do evolutionary/creationists supporters conclude about the pits?Seems odd......Anyways, gotta go....coffee's brewing------------------
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Originally posted by Adminnemooseus:

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Perhaps Moose can give you a link to that thread.

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Try http://EvC Forum: Starlight and Time---question that must be answered

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Thanx for the info guys (and as for you funk, gotta love your pot-stirring methods)------------------
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Originally posted by forgiven:
quetzal, i think the creationist view runs something like, there's at least one area (i've read many), only about 4 cubic feet, in which so many fossils are located, from so many different types of creature, that it would be impossible without the 'catastrophic' scenerio (ie the flood)... you might wanna look into that, i haven't been able to find any website that even attempts to explain the occurance in evolutionary terms

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Am I mistaken in thinking that the tar pits are ... um tar, or used to be? And things placed in tar don't stay put over thousands of years but get jumbled around.

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I was thinking more along the lines of the pits having some relation to chaotic glacial flooding from that time period...(IIS 10.0 Detailed Error - 404.0 - Not Found)
I have been trying to find a topographical map of L.A with U.C loc 2050 (one of the U of C main exc. site )to compare with my other flood maps...(above link and others)to make visualizing my ideas easier..."One of the mysteries that surround the animals at Rancho La Brea is the extinction event that made many of these animals disappear forever. This extinction event was not like those that have been labeled as "mass extinctions." Unlike the dinosaurs that were wiped out by a large and destructive worldwide event, the causes of the extinctions at Rancho La Brea were much more subtle." (La Brea Tar Pits)I am also curious how different the coastline is thought to have looked (in the context of pangea and C.D)in that age(http://www.tarpits.org/education/guide/geology/time.html)------------------
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"The ice could only temporarily restrain such an immense volume of water. When the lake reached its maximum depth, water burst through the ice barrier, shooting out of Clark Fork Canyon at a rate 10 times the combined flow of all the rivers in the world. At that rate the lake would have drained in as little as 48 hours!"
(IIS 10.0 Detailed Error - 404.0 - Not Found)In my previous post i was suggesting that the outpouring of this flood or others of that time period could have reached further south than just montana, oregon, idaho and washington....am i out to lunch? ------------------
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Originally posted by Quetzal:
Hi forgiven. Missed this reply the first time around. I guess thanks are owed to Brad for resurrecting this thread from the depths.

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quetzal, i think the creationist view runs something like, there's at least one area (i've read many), only about 4 cubic feet, in which so many fossils are located, from so many different types of creature, that it would be impossible without the 'catastrophic' scenerio (ie the flood)... you might wanna look into that, i haven't been able to find any website that even attempts to explain the occurance in evolutionary terms

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I've honestly never heard this claim before. Could you post a link to one of the creationist sites that describes the issue? The problem is that the journals I normally frequent don't appear to have addressed the issue at all (or at least not in those terms). To me, this indicates it might be a non-issue from a scientific standpoint. OTOH, I may just be looking in the wrong place or using the wrong search terms. Thanks.The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404)this is the article i was originally referring to

thanks for the clarification quetzel. I read that paper some time ago, and haven't really thought too much of it since then. I had originally wondered if the curiosities of the pits had resulted from a glacial flood event, but had no idea(message 13 of this thread). Also, this area is shaken up quite regularly by quakes, and i had wondered if that played a part in the 'mixing' up of the bones.------------------ [This message has been edited by graedek, 12-19-2002]

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Originally posted by Brad McFall:
I was not intending to reply on the Pit part of your post, but since "ice age" (show I saw on DVD) your link is thankfully not that!

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Originally posted by Brad McFall:
I was not intending to reply on the Pit part of your post, but since "ice age" (show I saw on DVD) your link is thankfully not that!

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did you check out the link?
To be a 'fly on the wall' and witness an event like thatwow
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