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Author Topic:   Historical antecedents to modern-day Christian fundamentalism
kuresu
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Message 121 of 125 (353646)
10-02-2006 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Faith
10-02-2006 1:02 PM


Re: To read Genesis historically is to read it naturally
as I understood you, you were asking how a historical account can actually be a metaphor. I gave an example, specifically, the Silmarillion, the Hobbit, and tLotR. They are the history of middle earth, and yet, it's al just a fictional story that can be interpreted as a gigantic metaphor (esp. LotR). Not all historical accounts are fiction, though. One that comes to mind in Thucydides' Peloponessian War.
one problem with your list, the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire--it is a history of the Roman Empire, which undoubtedly happened (the facts presented in that history may well be wrong, at least some--it's over fifty years, and new research has happened on the subject).

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jar
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Message 122 of 125 (353649)
10-02-2006 2:24 PM
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10-02-2006 2:15 PM


Re: To read Genesis historically is to read it naturally
The key is that there is external and independant confirmation of the Roman Empire and the fact that it fell. There is little, infact almost no confirmation of the events in the Bible and absolute refutation of many of the events.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 123 of 125 (353818)
10-03-2006 5:39 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Faith
10-01-2006 5:02 PM


Re: Fundamentalism: history & precedents
Faith:
I've read quite a bit of church history and my pastor certainly has and we identify with a long line of thinkers all the way back, such as Jonathan Edwards in particular, Calvin, and Luther too, Augustine and the Church Fathers, and in between most of the "heretics" like Wyclif and the Waldensians and others, and we know why we accept or reject elements in the thinking of each.
My point exactly. Fundamentalists looked back at the tradition they inherited, then accepted, reinterpreted or rejected aspects of it according to their values.
Fundamentalism is not unique. All religious movements look back at tradition and accept, reinterpret, and reject aspects based on their values.
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Recommended:
Jaroslav Pelikan. 'Jesus Through the Centuries.'
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : Added reference.

Archer
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10-03-2006 7:31 AM


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Limpid
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Message 125 of 125 (355500)
10-09-2006 11:13 PM


Antecedents to modern day Christian fundamentalism
Early Christian writers were quick to adopt certain European prophesies, the oldest being the Sibylle (or Tiburtina in Greek) to affirm their beliefs. Versions of these prophesies continued into the middle ages, but the most enduring was the Tibertine Sibylle, from where the anti-semitic Blood Libel originated. Whilst this prophecy was compiled in the fourth-century, this prophecy also foretold future events which have now been incorporated into Christian teaching.
Early Christiantians incorporated pagan beliefs into their religion to win them over. Chartres cathedral was built on a Roman temple site, the ebony pagan female figure found there was adopted as the "Black Madonna". People were informed that they had in fact being praying to the Madonna, albeit unaware of it. In medieval churches, the bosses on the ceilings, sculpted vinery along the pillars, and even the gargoyles, of which some are downright obscene, come from pagan, pre-existing beliefs.

Lucy

  
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