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Author Topic:   ERV's: Evidence of Common Ancestory
iceage 
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Message 16 of 166 (416777)
08-17-2007 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Refpunk
08-17-2007 9:56 AM


refpunk writes:
So how does that prove that animals bred humans descendants?
It is evidence of common descent. There are several other independent lines of evidence pointing to common descent such as comparative anatomy, biochemistry, geographical distribution, etc.
refpunk writes:
All your post shows is what could have happened before there were any witnesses.
We know all sorts of things are real without having any witnesses! For instance, where I live there were once great glaciers. I know that not because there are any witnesses but because the are significant geological features that the theory of an ice age best explains all the evidence.
Refpunk writes:
That's called science fiction, not science.
Not at all.

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iceage 
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Message 30 of 166 (417927)
08-25-2007 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Refpunk
08-24-2007 11:06 PM


Trollish, Uninformed and Pointless
Refpunk writes:
Forensics deals in observable phenomena
Human ERV are observable as fingerprints on a weapon.
At this reference
Plagiarized Errors and Molecular Genetics
An interesting parallel is provided linking the situation of Human ERV to lawsuits involving plagiarized works and the critical importance of copied errors to the bearing of the case.
Referenced Link writes:
One way to distinguish between copying and independent creation is suggested by analogy to the following two cases from the legal literature. In 1941 the author of a chemistry textbook brought suit charging that portions of his textbook had been plagiarized by the author of a competing textbook ... In 1946 the publisher of a trade directory for the construction industry made similar charges against a competing directory publisher... In both cases, mere similarity between the contents of the alleged copies and the originals was not considered compelling evidence of copying. After all, both chemistry textbooks were describing the same body of chemical knowledge (the books were designed to "function similarly") and both directories listed members of the same industry, so substantial resemblance would be expected even if no copying had occurred. However, in both cases errors present in the "originals" appeared in the alleged copies. The courts judged that it was inconceivable that the same errors could have been made independently by each plaintiff and defendant, and ruled in both cases that copying had occurred. The principle that duplicated errors imply copying is now well established in copyright law. (In recognition of this fact, directory publishers routinely include false entries in their directories to trap potential plagiarizers.)
Can "errors" in modern species be used as evidence of "copying" from ancient ancestors? In fact, the answer to this question appears to be "yes," since recent molecular genetics investigations have uncovered some examples of the same "errors" present in the genetic material of humans and apes. To understand these findings it is necessary to know a little about DNA, the chemical molecule in which genetic information is stored.
But then you write
Refpunk writes:
And since it's never been observed that an animal's DNA has ever been inserted into a human and produced a half-man, half beast, then evolution is a fairy tale which is why it's still only called a theory.
Ah! so you do not even understand what Endogenous Retrovirus remnants are! You don't even know what you are arguing against! This has *absolutely nothing* to do with half-man/half-beast or anything close. You are tilting at windmills.
I recommend that if you are confident of your position you should educate yourself and present your findings and views on this issue and not make wild ignorant claims that only serve to classify you objections as trollish, uninformed and pointless.

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iceage 
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Message 34 of 166 (419032)
08-31-2007 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Refpunk
08-31-2007 9:56 AM


Re: A suggestion to Refpunk
It is immaterial how many years of school you have had (although I have to question 30 years).
When you make comments like the following it is obvious that you do not understand evolution theory, natural selection - let alone Endogenous Retrovirus remnants.
Refpunk writes:
And since it's never been observed that an animal's DNA has ever been inserted into a human and produced a half-man, half beast, then evolution is a fairy tale which is why it's still only called a theory.
And...
Refpunk writes:
Other evolutionists claim this happened by "natural selection" but negelect to understand that genes can't select anything!
Natural Selection is *not* a process where genes do the selecting!!!
Natural Selection is a process where heritable traits that contribute to the reproductive success of an organism become increasingly common within a population of organisms over time.
Note: This is not a topic for you demonstrate your (lack of) understanding of evolutionary theory but a very interesting topic of Endogenous Retrovirus genetic vestiges within an organisms genome and its implications supporting common ancestry.
Please make your next post directed towards the topic.
Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

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