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Aspevik
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Message 46 of 152 (529314)
10-08-2009 8:41 PM
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10-08-2009 7:52 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Here is a picture I haven`t published before, but this is how I belive North and South-America was paired . In the middle we have the San Andreas Fault today.
Here is an another proposal I think is more correct:
Edited by Aspevik, : Picture added.

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Aspevik
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Message 47 of 152 (529320)
10-08-2009 9:27 PM
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10-08-2009 8:41 PM


Re: An Initial Question
quote:
You are placing gold mines of different ages and types into one event in the Ediacaran time. This makes no sense.
You can`t conclude a age of something who have a vein through a lot of layers from many time periods.
quote:
This is not to mention the fact that you omit numerous major gold-producing districts in places like Ontario, the Arabian Shield, the Slate Belt and central Asia. Furthermore, you fail to explain the large unmineralized areas in your little metallogenic province.
I have listed up the largest gold fields on Earth, not all the smaller goldmines. Just look at wiki.
quote:
Helge, you are coming very close to wasting eveyone's time. We have already pointed out several glaring discrepancies in you model. You should resolve them and come back when you can give more credence to actual data.
Maybe... And maybe you are to indoctrinated too
something buildt on the wrong foundation from the start?

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edge
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Message 48 of 152 (529324)
10-08-2009 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Aspevik
10-08-2009 9:27 PM


Re: An Initial Question
You can`t conclude a age of something who have a vein through a lot of layers from many time periods.
This is one of the most basic geological principles. Any discontinuity that cuts a rock is younger than that rock. Likewise a rock cannot be cut by an older sructure.
This is elementary stuff Helge: relative ages and cross-cutting features. If you don't understand that, you have little business lecturing about geology.
quote:
I have listed up the largest gold fields on Earth, not all the smaller goldmines. Just look at wiki.
Okay, then, where is Muruntau? Where is Emperor? Where is Timmins? What about the Arabian shield? I have asked things like this before, but you seem prone to ignoring me. Why should I take you seriously?
Maybe... And maybe you are to indoctrinated too
something buildt on the wrong foundation from the start?
What is your foundation? Could you be indoctrinated?

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edge
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Message 49 of 152 (529327)
10-08-2009 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Aspevik
10-08-2009 8:41 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Here is a picture I haven`t published before, but this is how I belive North and South-America was paired . In the middle we have the San Andreas Fault today.
Here is an another proposal I think is more correct:
No.
First of all the San Andreas is a transform boundary not a divergent plate boundary or a convergent plate boundary.
If your case were correct, Colombia should now be where the Gulf of Alaska is.
The cordilleran chains are features that started in the late Mesozoic. So why are you using an Ediacaran aged reconstruction?
How did SA and Africa move so far since the Cretaceous? Do you have any evidence for this motion?
Do you have anything other than some fantasy about lining up continents willy nilly?
Do you know that the continents are not the same shape now as they were in the Proterozoic? Rox was getting at this earlier, but you ignored the question.

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roxrkool
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Message 50 of 152 (529333)
10-09-2009 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Aspevik
10-08-2009 9:27 PM


Re: An Initial Question
You can`t conclude a age of something who have a vein through a lot of layers from many time periods.
Of course we can. We know ages, depths of formation, pressures of formation, what minerals came first through last, depositional settings, tectonic settings, plus a whole lot more. In addition, not all gold deposits are vein deposits (e.g., sedimentary-rock hosted gold, greenstone gold, banded iron, intrusion related). As edge noted, you are mixing up your gold deposits.
I have listed up the largest gold fields on Earth, not all the smaller goldmines. Just look at wiki.
Ahhhh... I see what you've done. I was wondering why I didn't see Grasberg, Telfer, Carlin, the Wit, etc. You've plotted mining operations of the the company called Gold Fields, not the largest gold fields in the world.
It seems your research skills could use a little sharpening.

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anglagard
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Message 51 of 152 (529337)
10-09-2009 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Aspevik
10-08-2009 9:27 PM


Geologic Intrusions Need Something to Intrude
Aspevik writes:
You can`t conclude a age of something who have a vein through a lot of layers from many time periods.
Ouch! are you saying that you reject a basic principle of geology, namely that an intrusion is inherently younger than the rock layers it intrudes? How can a dike or sill intrude atmosphere? This is more than geology, it is basic physics, it is basic common sense.
I hope for your sake that was a simple brain fart.
Edited by anglagard, : Basic physics indeed! basic common sense, something required in making a cognizant argument in either field.

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Aspevik
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Message 52 of 152 (529358)
10-09-2009 5:20 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by edge
10-08-2009 9:59 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Okay, then, where is Muruntau? Where is Emperor? Where is Timmins? What about the Arabian shield? I have asked things like this before, but you seem prone to ignoring me. Why should I take you seriously?
We find Muruntau in Uzbekistan. But this is not one of the largest gold fields in the world. We have foud gold here in Norway too, but I haven`t put these areas into the map because it is to little. Timmins (near Shellington in Canada) have some gold too. But this is not on the list over the largest goldmines in the world too.
The Arabian shield was formed when East and West Gondwana collided to form the supercontinent Gondwana.
But the point here is not the smaller gold fields around the world, the point is that nearly all the largest gold fields in the world, who lay spread all over the world,suddenly where clustered togheter in
part of the world.Is this just a coincidence?
Edited by Aspevik, : No reason given.

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Aspevik
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Message 53 of 152 (529366)
10-09-2009 5:51 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by edge
10-08-2009 10:09 PM


Re: An Initial Question
quote:
No.
First of all the San Andreas is a transform boundary not a divergent plate boundary or a convergent plate boundary.
If your case were correct, Colombia should now be where the Gulf of Alaska is.
The cordilleran chains are features that started in the late Mesozoic. So why are you using an Ediacaran aged reconstruction?
How did SA and Africa move so far since the Cretaceous? Do you have any evidence for this motion?
Do you have anything other than some fantasy about lining up continents willy nilly?
Do you know that the continents are not the same shape now as they were in the Proterozoic? Rox was getting at this earlier, but you ignored the question.
The scientist use to explain things as obvious, despite the facts they have build their conclusions on the wrong basis. I have example asked the geologist why the paelomagnetic traces don`t fit into their own theory.
With the greatest conviction they tell me about 4 to 8 poles on Eart at the same time, even this is
refuted
I think this link over here, will tell a whole new story when they are able to construct what happend here. This story tells us that the geologist don`t really know what anything about the movments at all.
They don,t have proves for anything yet, but they ask me for proves.
I know also that the continents not have the same shape and the geologist have formed the continents so they fits into yheir theory. I can only use the form I can see today, because I don,t belive on all this guessing who is served as facts.
Edited by Aspevik, : No reason given.

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roxrkool
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Message 54 of 152 (529446)
10-09-2009 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Aspevik
10-09-2009 5:20 AM


Re: An Initial Question
But the point here is not the smaller gold fields around the world, the point is that nearly all the largest gold fields in the world, who lay spread all over the world,suddenly where clustered togheter in
part of the world.Is this just a coincidence?
Please cite the source of your "gold fields" data.

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Aspevik
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Message 55 of 152 (529456)
10-09-2009 11:45 AM
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10-09-2009 11:11 AM


Re: An Initial Question
Please cite the source of your "gold fields" data.
We can do this in your way since you don`t accept this fields I have put into the maps. Give me location the largest gold fields on Earth today, every one, so I would make a new map of these findings areas, and I think you would see that most of these will be clustered at the same side of the globe. Ok?

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roxrkool
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From: Nevada
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Message 56 of 152 (529461)
10-09-2009 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Aspevik
10-09-2009 11:45 AM


Re: An Initial Question
I don't accept the fields you've shown in your images because the mines you named in Message 42 are not the largest gold fields in the world. I discovered why you made that mistake and I see you have not acknowledged that fact yet.
I'd like to know the source of your data and how exactly you plotted the locations of the gold deposits on your images.
Did you use spatial data? What software are you using?
I ask because I see you have a lot of red dots in the southwestern U.S. (which don't appear very consistent between the two images), because as far as I'm aware, that part of the country doesn't have any world class gold deposits. They have world class copper deposits, however. And that mine located at the top of Alaska looks suspiciously like the location for the world class Red Dog mine, only that one is zinc, not gold. I certainly could be wrong as I can't remember the location of all the large gold deposits, so please cite the source of your data and how you plotted the locations on your images.

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Aspevik
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Message 57 of 152 (529483)
10-09-2009 3:04 PM
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10-09-2009 11:11 AM


Re: An Initial Question

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roxrkool
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Message 58 of 152 (529491)
10-09-2009 3:36 PM
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10-09-2009 3:04 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Thank you.
I still don't see how you got the Alaska and U.S. data, however.
Have you realized your mistake yet, Aspevik, with regards to the gold data?
Edited by roxrkool, : No reason given.

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edge
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Message 59 of 152 (529494)
10-09-2009 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Aspevik
10-09-2009 11:45 AM


Re: An Initial Question
Okay, let's take Grasberg, the largest single concentration of gold on the planet. On the surface, it looks like it belongs in your target area. The only problem is that this target are didn't exist in Ediacaran times, when your meteorite struck the earth.
The deposit is approximately 3my old and the oldest sedimentary rocks nearby are Eocene, which makes them 34 to 56my old. Now that's only half a billion years after your meteorite impact. Please explain the discrepancy.
http://econgeol.geoscienceworld.org/...t/abstract/100/5/1005

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edge
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Message 60 of 152 (529495)
10-09-2009 3:47 PM
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10-09-2009 3:36 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Hey, Rox,
It's kind of interesting how Helge complains that geologists don't listen to him. Sounds to me like a case of 'what goes around comes around.' A major case of projection here.

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