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MrHambre
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Message 26 of 31 (44455)
06-27-2003 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Peter
06-27-2003 8:41 AM


Animal Communication
I have no problem with the notion of animal intelligence. So many of the long-held myths about humans being the only organisms who use tools or language have turned out to be exaggerations or outright lies. It's time for humans to develop a little respect for the other organisms on our planet.
The matter is one of degree and not of the 'essence' of intelligence, but I still believe the matter is one of great degree. True, vervet monkeys have been shown to have a vocabulary of defined screeches to convey different messages, and apes have been taught to use sign language. The ravings of some of our fellow correspondents here should be enough to make us realize that the basis of speech is conditioned behavior. However, language is much more than that.
I don't mean to steer this discussion into linguistics. It's been firmly established that humans have a language system hard-wired into our brains (the legacy of eons of evolution), and that a human's linguistic sophistication cannot be the result of a few years of stimulus-response exercises.
Incidentally, I was indeed a big 'Planet of the Apes' fan, and can't help but be reminded of that fine Charlton Heston performance every time I get shot in the neck.

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MrHambre
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Posts: 1495
From: Framingham, MA, USA
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Message 29 of 31 (44677)
06-30-2003 10:06 AM
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06-30-2003 6:57 AM


Re: Animal Communication
What I'm saying is that there's no magic line that separates us from other animals in terms of intelligence or speech faculty. Millions of years of evolution have given us the cerebral hardware to communicate on a language basis, and it shouldn't surprise us that experiments with gorillas (for example) hit a threshold beyond which the animals are not equipped to communicate.
I too have kids, and heard plenty of lines like 'we goed outside' when they were young. If language were just mimicry, this would never happen: kids don't hear adults say that. Language is an internal grammatical structure that a kid is applying to what he hears, and he has yet to learn the exceptions to the rules. When he processes information he's filtering it through that instinctive language framework.
Do animals do the same thing? Not to nearly the same extent, it would seem. We can teach animals large vocabularies, but the framework humans have for language hasn't developed in them yet.
Before we bemoan the species-centric arrogance that humans display, let's at least admit that there's a less insidious effect to this condescension: we don't ascribe moral significance to animal behavior. If we don't give animals sufficient credit for their intelligence and capabilities, neither do we condemn them for acts we may otherwise consider reprehensible.

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