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Can Natural Selection Produce Intelligent Design?

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08-13-2005 12:28 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by lmrenault
08-12-2005 10:51 AM

But many of us would argue that this very sophisticated intelligent designer, unique on earth’s landscape, has been produced by the evolutionary process that Darwin describes.
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Yes, many of us would agree with that statement.
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Can we make sense of this? Can such a super creation as Hs — an intelligent designer - be the product of mutation and natural selection where there is no intelligent design input?
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Certainly.
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Behe talks about irreducible complexity.
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Yup. He talks a lot. So far though he has not provided such an example that has withstood examination.
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08-14-2005 11:35 AM 		Reply to: Message 8 by lmrenault
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Check out Bowerbird Nesting habits. They fit all of your criteria. They begin with an idea, the create something that exhibits a unique plan, they show selection in choosing the materials by shape or size of color.
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So creative design is not unique to hS.
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Creative design as expressed by Hs has its own unique evolutionary history. It is a very recent history that began after he developed biologically as we know him today.
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As we learn more and more the time limits get pushed further and further back. It certainly looks like many of the primate species other than hS would also qualify.
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So there are many critters that would meet all three of your criteria.
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08-14-2005 10:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 29 by lmrenault
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But the Bowerbird does more than just build a nest. They build unique and individual nests.
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Now let's consider our cousins the primates.
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08-20-2005 7:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 63 by Annafan
08-20-2005 7:06 PM

Re: how about some answers
We're also still a short timer and newbie so the jury is definitely out on whether or not we're successful. After all the flu virus of 1917 spread into almost every habitable area of the globe.
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