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Author Topic:   New Species Creation?
mark24
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Message 2 of 16 (48644)
08-04-2003 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Inquisitive Believer
08-04-2003 3:34 PM


Inquisitive,
Welcome to EvC!
I'm not clear on what you want. Speciation in a single generation, or large scale morphological change in a single generation?
Mark
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mark24
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Message 6 of 16 (48656)
08-04-2003 5:30 PM
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08-04-2003 5:18 PM


Inquisitive,
I wasn't aware that large scale morphological change had ever ocurred in a single generation.
It has, in fact, many of the polyploid plants are significantly larger than their "mono"ploid counterparts, but that's about it as far as I'm aware.
Single generation speciation occurs via polyploidy, the replication of the entire genome. There is good evidence this is common in plants, possibly much less common in animals.
Some more information
Mark
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mark24
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Message 12 of 16 (48763)
08-05-2003 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Wounded King
08-05-2003 7:31 AM


Wounded King,
I agree, it is simply an arbitray decision by us that decides when an asexual species speciates. The same goes for fossil lineages, for example, when exactly does a fish become a basal tetrapod, or when does an Australopithecine become Homo?
Mark
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