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Author Topic:   Evolution of Nepenthes pitcher plants.
Dr Adequate
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Message 3 of 12 (599183)
01-05-2011 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tupinambis
01-05-2011 1:42 AM


I just honestly cannot imagine what kind of processes would have been needed to go from a flypaper trap to a pitcher. Does anyone here have any better insight than I do? This one has been giving me a hard time.
Well, the gross morphology of plants is very flexible. These, for example, are all the same species.
Could you go into more detail as to what is giving you a hard time?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 5 of 12 (599191)
01-05-2011 11:52 AM
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01-05-2011 11:23 AM


What I'm having trouble seeing is how the intermediate species between a Sundew and a Pitcher plant could not have been considerably worse off than its ancestor and, thus have been eliminated by natural selection before their evolution progressed any further. Under what conditions was it favorable to develop an intermediate form and what would this intermediate form have even looked like?
I'm guessing that you know more about sundews and pitcher plants than I do. I'd stop posting on this thread, except that you've got me kind of interested.
Could you supply some pictures and/or diagrams, along the lines of "this is a basal sundew, this is a pitcher plant, this is what an intermediate form would look like and you can see why it wouldn't work"?
I looked it up on WP and it says that some pitcher plants are derived from fly-traps rather than directly from basal sundews. I don't know if this is of any use to you because at this point I don't know what would be.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 8 of 12 (599198)
01-05-2011 1:34 PM
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01-05-2011 1:13 PM


Interesting, but I think that that might have worked the other way round from the way that I think that you're thinking.
In any case, the question is about gross morphology.

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