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Message 18 of 103 (602877)
02-01-2011 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Andrew Day
01-31-2011 6:45 PM


Re: Revised proposal edit
Why does it have to be ‘Creation versus evolution’?
Because a small but vocal minority of religious sects insist that it be so. The vast majority of religions have no conflict whatsoever with the fact that the evidence overwhelming demonstrates that life evolved from a common ancestor through the processes of random mutation and natural selection. However, certain fundamentalist branches of the Abrahamic religions cannot cope with the fact that the bible as they read it is not 100% accurate, and they have concluded that the ToE would render part of their bible in error. This they cannot have, so they fight tooth and nail to discredit the ToE at every turn.
By contrast, the vast majority of scientists are completely content to let people hold whatever religious views they wish to, so long as they don't try to dictate to the rest of us what we can believe, or impose their twisted bastardizations of science on anyone else.
That's why it's "versus."

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 25 of 103 (603071)
02-02-2011 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by mike the wiz
02-02-2011 10:35 AM


Re: I am what I am
If you actually look to the roots of evolution, you will see that the likes of Darwin and Lyell had ticker-problems when it came to God. Understanding W H Y the evolution theory came along is as important as realizing why it is accepted.
Because of the evidence. Despite your self-delusions to the contrary, it was the evidence that convinced the scientists.
The question you need to ask yourself is, if your god indeed created life as you think he said he did, why did he create it all to look like it evolved? Sounds like he's deliberately trying to deceive you. What kind of god is that?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 26 of 103 (603073)
02-02-2011 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Andrew Day
01-31-2011 6:45 PM


Re: Revised proposal edit
mike the wiz writes:
If you really are honest, you will admitt that when you see a bird fly, with such grace and ability, or when you move with autonomy, with complete ease, then you can see that these animals are not just a matter of atoms, but that they are wonderfully designed.
No argument or theory can convince me that my eyes are not telling me the truth.
This is why versus. People with certain religious beliefs have come to their conclusions based on the bible, and no amount of evidence will convince them of anything else. And, they insist that their religious beliefs be equated to scientific theories based on objective observations that anyone else can repeat and verify.
That's why versus.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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