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Dr Adequate
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Message 6 of 64 (629325)
08-16-2011 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Bolder-dash
08-16-2011 9:48 AM


This ridiculous notion that you can pick out one thing and say THAT is the key to attractiveness is just plain ****** science ...
Which I guess is why this ridiculous notion is something that you've made up in your head rather than anything that any scientist has ever actually claimed.
You really can misunderstand absolutely anything, can't you? Do you want to be Kent Hovind when you grow up?
... but the people needed to validate their study, which had decided beforehand that its symmetry we are after because that somehow will coincide with their preconceived ideas about how evolution works, and so they just put the pieces together anyway they want.
That people have a preference for facial symmetry is a well-established fact. Which perhaps explains why a creationist is calling it "bunk science".

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Dr Adequate
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Message 7 of 64 (629326)
08-16-2011 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by hooah212002
08-16-2011 9:59 PM


Re: Check the source...
Isn't the Daily Mail basically a tabloid?
No: the word "tabloid" implies a depth of integrity and seriousness of purpose which the Daily Mail does not possess.

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Message 15 of 64 (629340)
08-17-2011 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Bolder-dash
08-17-2011 12:00 AM


It is not a well established fact that people prefer symmetry of ones ears or nose, over any other thing they like to look at ...
Which is why no-one ever said it was.
So why did they choose symmetry as the criteria for judging if the people were beautiful ...
Answer: they didn't.
I could do a study tomorrow just like this one, and find people who ALWAYS choose the less symmetrical faces, and show this is people's preference.
This study was not into whether people found symmetry attractive. That has already been done.
I would start by showing them Harrison Ford and Dom Delouise and see which one they choose. Or Pierce Brosnan (he is famous for having a good side and a bad side, did you know?) and Ernest Bourgnine. And my results would fit the conclusion I want to find.
Or you could follow the scientific method ... well, you couldn't. But one could.
Unfortunately A, you are just another one of those gullible individuals who just swallow whatever you are told is science. So you are not really able to see the problems that *** therein at all. This is a well established fact.
If it is your intention to make a fool of yourself, I guess this sort of nonsense will do as well as anything.

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Message 16 of 64 (629341)
08-17-2011 2:04 AM
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08-17-2011 12:06 AM


Re: Check the source...
I meant tabloids like this:
I know. I was being mean to the Daily Mail.

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Message 29 of 64 (629382)
08-17-2011 10:56 AM
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08-17-2011 9:04 AM


The point of the study was to compare people they are claiming are attractive with people they are claiming are less attractive ...
No.
So they choose to decide who was attractive based on their symmetry ...
No.

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Message 32 of 64 (629416)
08-17-2011 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Bolder-dash
08-17-2011 11:31 AM


Re: RTFP
Is there something you wanted to say about the paper? Did you want t comment on my assertion that you could choose 100 different attributes and reference that with who is "co-operative" and who isn't, and ONE of the two groups you choose is going to be more co-operative or they will be EXACTLY the same (which is the most unlikely outcome of all).
This is why they calculated p.
Have you not read their paper, or did you not understand it?

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Message 36 of 64 (629469)
08-18-2011 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by crashfrog
08-17-2011 8:36 PM


Re: RTFP
But, the "attractive" group will be on average more attractive than the "not attractive" group, significantly so, and that's sufficient to draw conclusions about the behavior and characteristics of attractive vs non-attractive individuals in the aggregate.
Though the authors did not in fact do so: they drew conclusions about facial asymmetry and behavior. If they'd wanted to draw conclusions about attractiveness and behavior, they would presumably have used a "Hot Or Not" style test to evaluate their subjects.
The authors wrote: "We cannot assume that our more symmetric subjects will be identified as the more attractive". It's the journalists who have put that together with results showing that symmetry is attractive to reach a conclusion of "Gee whiz, scientists prove that you can't trust pretty people!"

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