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New Cat's Eye
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Message 57 of 97 (634176)
09-19-2011 7:52 PM


So did anybody find any numbers on how many people are converting from Islam to Christianity, and visa versa?

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Message 59 of 97 (634181)
09-19-2011 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Rahvin
09-19-2011 7:56 PM


Yeah, it does seem hard to "measure".
Too, I was reading on one site I ran across that a lot of people were converting to Islam in Packistan (IIRC) out of fear and persecution rather than because they thought it was true.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 63 of 97 (634199)
09-19-2011 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Theodoric
09-19-2011 8:24 PM


Care to share the site with us so we can see what kind of sources they use.
No, I don't remember.
There's this awesome new site call "Google" where you can type in things like "Christiand converting to Islam" and find all kinds of pages to read all kinds of stuff on.
Care to contribute to the discussion in any way at all?
Also, the words "a lot" are very relative.
Durr, ya gotz any evidense fur that assurtion?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 65 of 97 (634206)
09-19-2011 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Theodoric
09-19-2011 9:07 PM


Re: Wow
I did a search and found a few sites. I was wondering what you had found. I did not want to criticize your source when I did not know your source.
I was just sayin'... the point didn't have anything to do with the actual number.
And I certainly don't want to get into source criticizing. I'm hear to read the opinions of the people who post here, not their opinions on other people's opinion that don't.
Your behavior here goes against what I feel is the entire point of a forum like this one and your tone is (honestly, no offense this time) really bitchy so, you're a bother to me.
Why do I even try to engage you at all?
Maybe you're a slow learner? I'd prefer you didn't so you'd stop junking up the boards... not that I have that much room to talk But seriously, I was making a minor point to Rahvin and you want my source for an irrelevancy so you can criticize the source. No thanks.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 66 of 97 (634207)
09-19-2011 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Panda
09-19-2011 8:37 PM


I think CS's point was that even if we had numbers about how many people were converting: we couldn't know their reasons for conversion which could be pragmatic rather than religious.
Yes, implying that even if Chuck did provide some numbers, it wouldn't really/necessarily support any claim about the veracity of the religions. Wasn't that kinda his point?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 69 of 97 (634214)
09-19-2011 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Theodoric
09-19-2011 10:11 PM


Re: Wow
If the true number is not "a lot" then your point does not have the significance you think it does and Chuck could turn that around and use the argument against you.
No, it doesn't matter. Even if we did have the number of converts, lacking the reasons for people converting removes the implication that its because one is more truthful.
Not at all but when you use terms like "a lot" I want to see the data. It isn't my problem if you do not want to provide anything to back up you statements. I just feel it is bad form to make a statement that has nothing factual to back it up. Your use of the term "a lot" was a poor choice considering the data you seem to have had.
Not at all... its an irrelevant aside.
Lets look at your original comment
Too, I was reading on one site I ran across that a lot of people were converting to Islam in Packistan (IIRC) out of fear and persecution rather than because they thought it was true.
Yeah, I "ran across" something -- so that part's not really the point.
And IIRC means "if I remember correctly", so I was admitting that I wasn't even looking at any data when I was writing that.
There's no good reason to ask for my "data".
If the data does not show that there is "a lot" converting out of fear but instead because they felt Islam was true than your point is pointless.
No, the number of converts wouldn't imply more veracity without the reason for converting, regardless of the actual number of people that converted out of fear/persecution.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 70 of 97 (634215)
09-19-2011 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by fearandloathing
09-19-2011 10:24 PM


No, that's why I asked; I couldn't find any good numbers and I was wondering if anybody else could. Then Rahvin said that it would be hard for these number to exist. Then I said that even if we did have them, they wouldn't really help anyways. And then it got drug into the gutter.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 96 of 97 (635497)
09-29-2011 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Theodoric
09-29-2011 1:20 PM


Re: Believe or know
The OP links the other thread, Message 411 is where this whole thing started:
quote:
Chuck writes:
Wonderful. You can start by picking up a Bible (some subjective evidence for god(s) and test it out.
Also there are many books written by wonderful christians that know this truth. Pick a few up. Prayer is good too. Some books will help you pray in a way that is like you were talking to your parents. It's easy. Church too, that's a good place for subjective evidence. Lot's of people to validate this truth.
You have your hands full for the weekend. SONday find a good morning service and let me know what the Pastor talked about.
Huntard writes:
Muslim down the street writes:
Wonderful. You can start by picking up a Qu'ran (some subjective evidence for god(s) and test it out.
Also there are many books written by wonderful Muslims that know this truth. Pick a few up. Prayer is good too. Some books will help you pray in a way that is like you were talking to your parents. It's easy. Mosque too, that's a good place for subjective evidence. Lot's of people to validate this truth.
You have your hands full for the weekend. SOMEday find a good morning service and let me know what the Imam talked about.
Huntard writes:
Now, which one to choose, and why?

The answer, apparently, is to choose the one that has more people converting to it from the other side.

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