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Author Topic:   Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va. says a Muslum should not use Qur'an during swearing in
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Message 18 of 32 (371938)
12-24-2006 3:48 AM


O! The irony!
So, this pandering pissant is demanding that everyone be required to use a bible when swearing an oath to support the Constitution. Pity he's never apparently taken the time to actually read the document in question.
Article VI states in its entirety:
All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
Emphasis mine.
Nuff said.
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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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Message 26 of 32 (372209)
12-25-2006 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
12-24-2006 10:49 PM


Re: Goode has violated the oath of office and should be impeached.
He then commits a sin of commission by bring in immigration. Since Rep Ellison's family have been US citizens since at least the 1700's, immigration is not an issue and is unrelated to anything involving Rep. Ellison
It is also irrelevant on another level. Ole Virgil says we need to keep Muslims out of the country to keep Muslims from getting elected. But I guarandamntee you that the district that Ellison represents is not mostly Muslim. He didn't win that seat because a bunch of Muslims voted for him. The fifth district probably has the highest percentage of minorites of any Minnesota district, but it is nonetheless a white and Christian majority. It may well also have the highest percentage Jewish population of any Minnesota district.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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Message 29 of 32 (374531)
01-04-2007 5:51 PM


Brilliant! Simply brilliant. And priceless!
The last chapter (hopefully) in this story:
Whose Quran?
Congressman to take oath on Jefferson's Quran
POSTED: 7:27 p.m. EST, January 3, 2007
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, will use a Quran once owned by Thomas Jefferson during his ceremonial swearing-in Thursday.
The chief of the Library of Congress' rare book and special collections division, Mark Dimunation, will walk the Quran across the street to the Capitol and then walk it back after the ceremony.
Ellison, a Minnesota Democrat, contacted the library about the book last month, Dimunation said.
Some critics have argued that only a Bible should be used for the swearing-in. Last month, Virginia Republican Rep. Virgil Goode warned that unless immigration is tightened, "many more Muslims" will be elected and follow Ellison's lead.
Ellison was born in Detroit, Michigan, and converted to Islam in college.
Ellison spokesman Rick Jauert said the new congressman "wants this to be a special day, and using Thomas Jefferson's Quran makes it even more special."
"Jefferson's Quran dates religious tolerance to the founders of our country," he added.
An English translation of the Arabic, it was published in 1764 in London, a later printing of one originally published in 1734.
"This is considered the text that shaped Europe's understanding of the Quran," Dimunation said.
It was acquired in 1815 as part of a 6,400-volume collection that Jefferson sold for $24,000, to replace the congressional library that had been burned by British troops the year before, in the War of 1812.
"It was a real bargain," Dimunation said.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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Message 31 of 32 (374542)
01-04-2007 6:09 PM
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01-04-2007 5:58 PM


Re: Brilliant! Simply brilliant. And priceless!
I didn't know, but it doesn't surprise me.
The cynic in me wants to view this as a political stunt. I don't know enough about the guy to know whether his claimed reason was the true one. I suspect there's a bit of both involved. Either way, I can't think of a more effective response to Goode and his ilk.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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