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Author Topic:   Supreme Court Obamacare Case -- Pros and Cons
crashfrog
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Message 15 of 39 (657268)
03-27-2012 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by RAZD
03-26-2012 7:38 PM


Re: ARGUMENT FOR
But it's not a tax, it's a penalty.
Isn't this a distinction without a difference? The homebuyer's tax credit is exactly the same thing as a tax penalty for not buying a house. Money is money.
That something may not be a tax under the terms of the Tax Anti-Injunction Act doesn't mean that it's not a tax at all.

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crashfrog
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Message 19 of 39 (657347)
03-27-2012 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Artemis Entreri
03-27-2012 4:13 PM


Re: ARGUMENT AGAINST
yes, but why is healthcare so expensive?
Because we overpay doctors, for the most part. We pay doctors 50% more than any other country.
Insurance billing has something to do with it, but "liability costs" isn't part of it; malpractice coverage is maybe 1% of health care costs. If even that.
I think forcing you to buy something from a private company borders on supporting a monopoly, something that will be based on profits, instead of patient care, driving up the cost, and driving down the quality.
The ACA regulates how much of insurance company revenues can be taken out as profit, so clearly this is wrong.
These are real and complex issues, AE, and you should consider taking a little more effort to do research beyond your usual standard of "I'll just make it up."

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crashfrog
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Message 22 of 39 (657353)
03-27-2012 4:38 PM
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03-27-2012 4:35 PM


Re: ARGUMENT AGAINST
how did people afford the doctor before health insurance?
Before 1935, medicine didn't really do all that much, so people didn't need it as badly. It's really only been in the last 30 years that medical science has been able to expensively extend the lives of people with serious ailments. Also it's only been in the last 30 years that a doctor's salary has put you in the 1%.

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crashfrog
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Message 25 of 39 (657362)
03-27-2012 5:19 PM
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03-27-2012 4:48 PM


Re: ARGUMENT AGAINST
is it really that expensive to write scripts all day long?
No, it's not, which is why other countries have used price controls and monopsony power to reduce the costs of medical care.

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