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CK Member (Idle past 4159 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: You can get that effect with mental illness or drugs or just by tricking people in the right way.
quote: It follows that an entirely subjective and individual certainty about God's existance is a possibility. Edited by CK, : No reason given. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4159 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Yes and?
Many suicide bombers swear they are going to get their legover with 40 lovely virgins when they get to heaven. Are you claiming this is true?
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CK Member (Idle past 4159 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: You clearly never read that post properly - go back and read it again, you are even mentioned by name!
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CK Member (Idle past 4159 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
here's the key bit - just for you.
quote: All I'm doing is adapting a creationist tactic.
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CK Member (Idle past 4159 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
I mentioned it somewhere else - christian pleading generally consists of needy pleading (God loves you and he wants you to love him - it's great really) and vague threats (but remember if you don't love him in time baaaaaaad things will happen).
In some respects it's a low-rent version of Pascal's gambit and indeed the critism of such an approach is generally discussed when discussing Pascal's gambit.
wikipedia entry on Pascal's gambit writes: In modern times, this criticism is often leveled against evangelistic Christianity, especially those who try to incite fear by portraying such events as the Rapture in popular media. Such a belief is sometimes called "Hell insurance" (or "Heaven insurance"), and is considered heretical by many mainstream Christian denominations. Edited by CK, : No reason given. Edited by CK, : fix db code.
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CK Member (Idle past 4159 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
So anyone can add to wiki - what like those people?
quote: Or are those not true christians.... HELL - What if I don't believe in Hell? - ChristianAnswers.Net
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CK Member (Idle past 4159 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Pascal’s Wager (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
This is a pretty good resource on his position. As for the bored and contextment - I think it's more than likely he's right. Always something over the hill isn't there? Something good or something bad? and who knows? You know I'd love to chat more about nihilism and how you came to such a position - is there a suitable thread available? By chat, I really mean chat - not try and catch you out or anything like that. I'm just interested to know more. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4159 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
That he tentatively identifies himself as a nihilist.
Is that wrong Robin? Are you feeling frustrated again Iano? I'm certainly getting that "why don't those people listen/convert" vibe off you? Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4159 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Before we get too carried away with that flight of fantasy - it's really none of my business how Robin comes to his conclusions or my place to "convert" him.
I'm not even sure what it is that I'd be preaching in this "fight"
Bob: So CK what's your position on god? CK: I don't think he exists. Bob: And? CK: and what? I've said it before and I'll say it again - everyone we have here is generally pretty convinced of their position. I actually don't know very much about the position that Robin takes and I don't think than a desire to know more has to take place in the normal pointscoring manner we have around here. I think we could do with a few more threads where we just chat.
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CK Member (Idle past 4159 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
yeah but his gambit was flawed from the outset - so it only gives you a "better" change if you don't take that into account.
The problems with his gambit are explained in great detail here:
Pascal’s Wager (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
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