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Message 7 of 45 (690420)
02-12-2013 11:24 PM


What a crock.
The religious zealots just keep trying, don't they?
They think they can get away with legislating their beliefs using the power of the state.
Sorry guys--the Enlightenment means we don't have to kowtow to your religious beliefs or anyone else's.
(Except maybe the Muslims--they'll cut your head off if you don't watch out!)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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Message 29 of 45 (690907)
02-17-2013 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Genomicus
02-17-2013 5:47 PM


Re: Not constitutional
After all, the author's probably sincerely believe that this bill will improve science education in their state.
If you read the text of that bill, it is not designed to improve science education.
The only conclusion one can reach is that it is designed to further the teaching of a specific religious belief at the expense of science education.
What the author believes in, based on the bill he has sponsored, is clearly not the scientific method.
What a joke!

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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Coyote
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Message 38 of 45 (692345)
03-01-2013 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Omnivorous
03-01-2013 9:27 PM


Comparative religion?
Rather than attempt to force-feed creationism into science curricula, believers might mandate its coverage as part of history, or comparative religious studies or civics instruction.
I've taken a comparative religion class (as Anthropology).
There is no place in such such a class for advocating one particular religious belief over all others. That is apologetics, and totally inappropriate in that setting.
Folks want to push their beliefs, let them push them where they are welcome and/or appropriate and stop trying for force them on the rest of us.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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Message 45 of 45 (715738)
01-08-2014 6:42 PM


A good blog
Virginia Creationism: Dickie Bell’s Bill, by the Sensuous Curmudgeon
The proud state of Virgina, home of Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and numerous other Founders, which in 1786 passed The Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, has the honor of leading the nation again in Dark Ages legislative activity.
More...
Virginia Creationism: Dickie Bell’s Bill | The Sensuous Curmudgeon

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

  
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