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NoNukes
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Message 9 of 57 (766137)
08-12-2015 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Jon
08-11-2015 7:28 PM


Re: Real Problems Need Real Solutions
Jon writes:
In fact I'm rather perplexed by the people who do support such movements like Black Lives Matter and wish such horrible fate on so many folks just 'cause they're black.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 18 of 57 (766213)
08-14-2015 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by New Cat's Eye
08-14-2015 12:17 PM


Re: Real Problems Need Real Solutions
Perhaps it is true that people whose formative years were after the 60s and 70s have no idea of what the role of protest and even civil disobedience are all about, and just cannot imagine anything other than a city council meeting having any important effect.
Surprising attitude though from someone who thinks an armed rebellion/race riot is democracy in action.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 30 of 57 (766300)
08-16-2015 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Rrhain
08-16-2015 3:42 AM


Re: Real Problems Need Real Solutions
Nicely stated and extremely well illustrated, Rrhain. Absolutely the best argument in this thread. MLK speaks out near the beginning of a decades long movement, at a time when all he had to show for his efforts was his church being bombed and the public including the president had nothing but utter disdain for his results so far.
Unfortunately your efforts flew way over the head (and outside the heart) of the intended audience. But the rest of us got the point.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 39 of 57 (766830)
08-22-2015 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Jon
08-21-2015 10:09 PM


Re: Why BLM Makes Things Worse
If these movements want to be taken seriously, a good place to start would be for the people involved in the police 'mistreatment' to not be criminals, thugs, or hooligans.
History suggests that scope of the rights you currently enjoy were vindicated during the prosecution of criminals. That's why you have miranda rights and why confessions that are rubber hosed out of you at the police station are not admissible.
Besides that, it turns out that lots of people (you excepted) see something particularly tragic in a 12 year old having his life snuffed out a couple of seconds after the police show up. A 12 year old with a toy gun isn't a hooligan of any note.
I accept that you, personally, don't give a crap about the lives of black people who are selling cigarettes illegally, but that tradeoff of life vs property is one of the issues in 'Black lives matter'.
BLM protests do indeed fall on your deaf ears, but who gives a crap what you think.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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