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Author | Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
So you can't call me biased toward the links I post, I'm inviting you to pick your own. You certainly can't claim there are none, since Google finds so many. ringo writes:
That's why you post all zero of your links. I googled it. There doesn't seem to be any shortage of explanations. (I can give you a kindergarten-level lesson in using Google if you want.)
Kleinman writes:
So once more you stoop to insulting people you don't know. If I have to choose between a tenured professor's knowledge of thermodynamics and YOUR knowledge of thermodynamics, I'll choose the professor.
He should have read it himself, then he would know something about thermodynamics. You obviously didn't read it. Kleinman writes:
My question was not about thermodynamics. It's simple math: Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? I'm going to keep asking until you answer.
ringo writes:
You have confused the thermodynamics of competition with the thermodynamics of descent with modification. Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? Kleinman writes:
I think Tanypteryx knows more about it than I do - and even I know more than you do. I'm sure you can make the physics and mathematics clear enough so even Tany can understand it. And I think Tanypteryx understands that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C. Do you?
Kleinman writes:
The question is whether or not YOU understand the mathematics. Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? What if your birds and reptiles don't use the English alphabet? Edited by ringo, : Spellig. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
ringo:They are your imaginary links, you post them. Kleinman:Too bad the professor doesn't understand the subject he teaches. ringo:You have confused the thermodynamics of competition with the thermodynamics of descent with modification. You posted your confused statement in response to this: Kleinman:That's from Message 2170. Perhaps if someone taught you introductory thermodynamics that understood the subject (that's your cue to say that I don't understand the subject). Kleinman:That's not saying much since Tany doesn't understand thermodynamics, and neither do you. Kleinman:I don't know what is worse, your silliness or your redundancy.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Do you understand that in the real world this is irrelevant? Do you also understand that unless all actual and potential sources of energy are accounted for and measured in an experiment this is irrelevant?
Please explain what you understand to be usable energy to a population. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
What if your birds and reptiles don't use the English alphabet?
Perfect example of your dishonesty as a debater.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:A desert has lots of solar energy but little life compared to a rainforest. The energy has to be in a form that some life form can use. I wonder if he understands that the most fit user of the given energy more effectively uses the environment's energy for sustenance and replication than the less fit users.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:What if his birds and reptiles spoke Greek or Hebrew? How would they know to go B to C? They might be going β to γ or ב to ג. They might get all confused!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Nope you are utterly clueless.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:I wonder if he knows that descent with modification is not a conservative process and is governed by the second law of thermodynamics.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Please explain how it is governed by the 2nd law.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:Descent with modification is an entropy-producing process. That's why is can be modeled by a Markov Chain. I explain it in my short paper on the Physics of Darwinian Evolution. The Physics of Darwinian Evolution Ask your friend who is an expert thermodynamicist.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
But descent with modification is not a closed system.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:That doesn't matter. Descent with modification is an entropy-producing process and it doesn't matter whether it is an open or closed system.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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In order for the 2nd law of thermodynamics to be relevant, it does. The 2nd law of thermodynamics is only relevant to a closed system. You fail. Can you find anyone that supports your assertion? Anyone?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:You are wrong. The laws of thermodynamics apply in open and closed systems. Ask your expert.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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You are an idiot. He agrees.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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