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Author Topic:   The next stage of human evolution
mitchellmckain
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Message 1 of 33 (343209)
08-25-2006 3:30 AM


I am proposing a discussion of the the future direction of human evolution, including the merit of the ideas explained below.
(NOTE: The term "evolution" used below is not according to the usage in the modern science of biology regarding genetic change alone, but as the entire process by which life developed upon this planet including genetic change. I consider this relatively recent restriction of the term in the science of biology to be far too restrictive in a general philosophical discussion.)
Everyone has seen new X-men movies about the "next stage of human evolution." One of the funny things about evolution and history is that these are things that happen in everyday life, only the participants are often unaware of what is happening all around them. I believe that we are in the next stage of evolution already and that the signs of it are all around us.
Only it not Darwin's theory because he had no "next stage" in his theory. But there are stages. If we look far enough back into the past, there was a time that there were only single celled organisms. And if we look carefully at our cells we see evidence that these too were once composed of smaller more primitive independent units (similar to bacterial and algae and called prokaryotic cells). Darwin's original theory does not address these gaps. According to his theory the individual cells should continue struggling against each other for survival, so that only the fittest survive.
But this is not what happened. If we look at our bodies we will find that most of our cells no longer have the ability to survive on their own. By working together and sheilding each other, protecting weaker members they have changed all the rules of evolution. For them it is no longer survival of the fittest, it is survival of the community.
The driving force of evolution is always variation. Leaps of evolution occur when something happens that make a whole new range of variation possible. The beginning of sexual reproduction was one of those leaps. But think now about the inherent limitation that Darwin's evolution imposes upon variation. When it is all about individual survival, then there is not much room for variation is there? We should all be farmers or hunters in that case, don't
you think.
Natural selection provides a directive factor, which also provides a means for evolutionary change. But this is a very negative force for change, for it bring the swiftest changes by massive deaths and extinction. There is no doubting its role in evolution but it is not one that the human race would want to endure in its future without strenuous opposition. If we understand that human evolution is in another stage where natural selection is not the most important factor, then it is cooperation with and protection of our fellow man rather than competition and the death of our fellow man that represents the forward direction in the evolution of man.
Isn't it clear that human beings have taken this step into the next stage of evolution. Don't we now protect the weaker members of the community? Look at what liberation it has brought us. Look at the variety of man. Have we not changed the rules of evolution ourselves? The use of glasses is a perfect example of how we are in the next stage of evolution. Just as individual cells have overcome their limitations with the technology of its community (think of the human eye), we have overcome the limitations of our biology and individual evolution with the technology of the community of man. And just like the cells in our body, the community has become our greatest concern and our encompassing environment.
When you look at the human body where are the X-men? By forming a community of cells, we have allowed some cells to evolve fantastic specialized abilities that could not exist if they had to survive on their own. The neuron is a great example. I believe that the liberation from the need to satisfy the requirements for individual survival is a key stimulus for the next stage of evolution. In this case, where are the true X-men in today's humanity? Are they not those we call handicapped? Do not those who are blind develop their senses and abilities in ways that other people do not. I saw this special on TV earlier this year about people with Williams syndrome, and in addition to physical difficulties they also had above average abilities in other areas like sociability, hearing and music.
As our society learns to accomodate and provide active social roles for the handicapped are we not changing the rules of evolution. Could we be creating the conditions for the next stage of human evolution where we will see the real X-men of our future.
Edited by mitchellmckain, : justification

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mitchellmckain
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From: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
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Message 7 of 33 (343338)
08-25-2006 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Annafan
08-25-2006 12:06 PM


General comment: I am reading everyones comments and I am pleased with the intellegent discussion. Forgive me if I do not respond to everyone, but I do not want to dominate the thread.
Annafan writes:
1) humans are certainly not the first species to go beyond just caring for the individual; bees, ants and termites are excellent (and much much older) examples of lifeforms that have built up societies where individuals show the willingness to give preference to the survival of others. So from that point of view there's not really a new "phase" in evolution going on, I would say. Where humans might be unique, is that they might assign less strict importance to the level of genetic relatedness. When animals give precedence to survival of their colony instead of their individual well-being, this seems to be limited to creatures that are either genetically identical, or at least very close? So this fits strictly into the idea that the genes are having things under control. It is a behaviour that quite clearly emerges from natural selection, while in our case the link is less obvious. So yeah, in that respect it might be a novelty of the last couple of thousands of years.
The whole point of the next stage of evolution is that differentiation goes beyond genetic differntiation. Even among the ants we see differentiation between the worker females and the queen which is achieved by how the larvae is fed. The model to which I am comparing communities is the development of multicellular organisms, where we see incredible diffentiation between individuals which all have the same genetic code but utilize that code differntly. But the same ideas are perfectly applicable to a community of individuals which are not genetically identical.
The most unique thing about the human community is that it can encompass the entire species so that there will be no competition between different communities of man. And yet we have learned to utilize the advantages of evolutionary competition in the economic methods of capitalism.
I did not introduce the term "next stage of evolution" but I think that the meaning I have given to it is more useful. Besides the point of a next stage of evolution is not that this process cannot be found elsewhere in nature, quite the opposite, I am saying that is an inevitable part of the process of the development of life on this planet. Anyway, it does change the rules that most people attribute to evolution and more importantly it combats the misuse of the ideas of evolution that were behind social darwinism and the eugenics program of the nazis. It introduces a philosophy that sees medical technology and the care of the handicapped as a positive forces for the evolution of man.

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mitchellmckain
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From: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
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Message 13 of 33 (343387)
08-25-2006 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by GDR
08-25-2006 3:13 PM


Re: I'm not so sure -> But I am.
GDR writes:
I guess my point is that I am not convinced at all of your basic premise, which as I understand it, is that our sense of altruism is evolving, and that we as a society are becoming more altruistic.
I don't see that I have any such premise. It is a fairly simple observation that human society (for whatever reasons) has been finding more productive roles for the handicapped and has been increasingly more protective of the weaker members of the human race, developing technologies to compensate for genetic/biological deficiencies. My point is simply that we do not need to think of this as a step backwards in human evolution, because this is a part of the pattern of the evolutionary development of life on this planet.

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mitchellmckain
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Message 15 of 33 (343450)
08-25-2006 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by GDR
08-25-2006 7:02 PM


Technological enhancement
Without the force of natural selection on the human gene pool, genetic deficiencies will only increase and the handicapped will become an increasing portion of the population. However our medical technology and other technological compensations and augmentation will race forward even faster so that technological capabilities will soon become more important than the biological ones. The variety of man will keep increasing. This all assuming that no retro-conservative forces get too powerful, and that we do not make the mistake of excessive tampering with the human genome. Unregulated tampering with the genetics of next generation would be very dangerous for I think it will most likely reduce genetic variation by dangerous proportions.
In much less than five hundred years from now computer enhancement to brain function will be routine and close to universal. Computer terminals and tv-sets outside these enhancements will cease to exist as obsolete. On the other hand, since these will most likely take no more room than wall posters, they may be quite common even if nobody needs them. Automotive transportation will become more scarce due to rising costs and a greatly reduced need to go anywhere to get things done, so I predict a great increase in the popularity of walking, cycling (and wheelchair transportation?). Higher education and office work will no doubt be almost entirely virtual. Beyond a great increase in the variety of human appearances, whether cosmetic or fundamental technological alteration, I cannot say what people would look like. As always has been the case in the past, the most radical changes are completely beyond our ability to imagine them.
Edited by mitchellmckain, : elaboration

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mitchellmckain
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Posts: 60
From: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
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Message 25 of 33 (343832)
08-27-2006 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by GDR
08-26-2006 5:06 PM


Re: Technological enhancement
GDR writes:
I agree with that but I also think that it presents risks to society on both biological and sociological grounds. I also think that the temptation to engage in genetic manipulation will be too powerful to avoid. I'm sure people are even experimenting with it already.
I have mentioned one of the biological reasons, I was wondering if there were any others reasons you had in mind. As for sociological grounds, I very much agree. One such sociological reason is that I think parents have too much control over their children's lives as it is, and I think genetic manipulation will make it far worse both in terms of unrealistic parental expectations and the resentment of the children for excessive control.
GDR writes:
We can easily wind up with a nazi style super race.
We may fall to the temptation of such but it would be chasing an illusion. Perfection does not exist in this. Sexual reproduction was one of the greatest innovations in evolutionary history for producing adaptable populations. Short circuiting this would be a terrible mistake. Real strength comes from diversity.

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mitchellmckain
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From: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
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Message 30 of 33 (343995)
08-27-2006 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by kuresu
08-27-2006 3:22 PM


Re: Technological enhancement
This is why I specifically said "unregulated tampering". The possible horrors are no reason hide like frightened children and deprive ourselves of any possible benefit. Flat universal policies are rarely helpful. This is a complex issue and complex issues require deep thought and difficult decisions.

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