Should a Creationist be allowed to hold a position of Authority?

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Where is this clause of Separation of Church and State in the US constitution. [sic]

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From the First Amendment to the Constitution: And applied to the state governments via the Fourteeth: The commonly accepted interpretation of these clauses are that no governmental body of the United States may promote, in any way, any religion nor to discourage it.-

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This position has been compromised very slowly and today, it is almost an offense to express one's own faith in public.

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I don't know where you live, but where I am I see a lot of bumper stickers that positively gloat at how the unsaved are going to burn in hell forever.I have had Jehovah's Witnesses come to my door. I have also been stopped on the street by Mormons. I have coworkers who, during break times, talk to each other about the events that have happened in their respective churches. I teach at a college -- I see flyers all over the place advertising meetings of various religious student organizations. My neighbor has invited me to attend church with her.If you are speaking of individuals' who are offended by your religious views, then leave them alone; it is their right to be left alone. If they are bothering you, then tell them to leave you alone; it is your right to be left alone.Edited to correct a typo and to expand the quote from the 14th Amendment.This message has been edited by Chiroptera, 13-Feb-2006 05:59 PM

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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

Jar, if you wish to change the topic please go back an revise your OP and title. Here's what you started out with: So this is the question you asked: Is that still your question? That's what I responded to when I said:

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Gravity is God's glue that holds his universe together.

Not quite Buz. Somewhere back in the thread I admitted that the OP was worded poorly. It should be "Anyone that believes in a Young Earth" is not qualified to hold a decision making position.There was additional discussion. For example, if someone who believed in a Young Earth could say "Yes, I realize that the weight of evidence is that the universe is old and I could teach that to others but cannot accept it personally", they would be capable of holding a decision making position.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

It would be very bad form to change the topic title and/or message 1 content at this point. I suggest that this topic be closed.Is there a calling for a new version of this same topic? A sort of variation on the theme Is Fundamentalism a Mental Disorder? is currently in the Proposed New Topics (PNT) forum.At this stage of the topic, I feel this situation can be discussed right here. No need to go to the "General..." topic, below in the ever popular signature.Adminnemooseus

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Imo, this thread was a looser from the gitgo, no matter how Jar doctors it up.

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Gravity is God's glue that holds his universe together.

i quite agree. if one is going to fight for religious freedom and equality, we have to defend the fundies, too. hence the word equality.i recommend it be closed.
sorry jar. it's just not working out this time.

Actually, you can do it over. Here is message 1 in its entirety: What revisions would you like to have been in that message 1?Adminnemooseus

I'd change "While there is a definite separation of Church and State, should ANYONE that believes in the literal Creation story as laid out in Genesis be allowed to hold a position of authority and influence such a US President or Prime Minister of England?" to read"While there is a definite separation of Church and State, should ANYONE that believes a Young Earth be allowed to hold a position of authority and influence such a US President or Prime Minister of England?"I would keep the second paragraph as in the original."Although this should not be seen as a religious test, is it a valid test of the person's capability to assimilate data, form rational conclusions, accept new information, and formulate policy?"

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Like I said, Jar, no matter how you doctor it up, it's a looser.

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Gravity is God's glue that holds his universe together.

that still doesn't take into account the ammendments you made as concessions to me.

No, it doesn't.The question was how would I change the OP, not how the discussion would proceed.If you brought up the example of the professor, I would still agree that if a YEC could say "Yes, the weight of evidence is on the side of an Old Earth and I could certainly support teaching the Earth is old", they would be capable of hold a decision making position.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The Exercise And Establishment clause only suggests that the government shall take a neutral position on matters pertaining to faith and religion. This has nothing to do with the Separation of God from the society. Separation of church and state is not a part of US constitution. However, it was the part of the constitution of the former soviet Union. It is so interesting that the Russian Government now is vigorously promoting Christianity where as in America, the Government is punishing christians. The recent role of the Government has been to separate God from the Society which is not the proper role of the Government.

Really, try to stick to the topic. The establishment clause has absolutely nothing to do with the question.

This message has been edited by AdminJar, 02-18-2006 08:19 AM