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Message 61 of 66 (231661)
08-09-2005 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Percy
08-09-2005 9:04 PM


Re: numbers
randman is taking a short sabbatical to think about making charges like fraud and dishonesty without support.

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Message 62 of 66 (231719)
08-10-2005 6:40 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by randman
08-09-2005 3:29 PM


Re: numbers
randman, nothing in your post or the previous link supports "90%". Did you pluck it out of the air?

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Message 63 of 66 (232018)
08-10-2005 5:49 PM
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08-10-2005 6:40 AM


Re: numbers
I suggest you reread some of the threads then.

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Message 64 of 66 (232026)
08-10-2005 6:12 PM
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08-10-2005 5:49 PM


Re: numbers
randman writes:
I suggest you reread some of the threads then.
If you will do your share toward returning this thread to a constructive dialog, the moderators will do their share toward making sure everyone else contributes constructively, too.

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Message 65 of 66 (232036)
08-10-2005 6:29 PM
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08-09-2005 9:55 AM


Re: numbers
The spectrum analogy is a false analogy because ToE models do not predict a linear path of evolution, but rather evolution occurs within distinct groups, called species, and causes a branching effect, not a linear effect.
I am frankly not sure why that is so difficult to grasp.
Ned even goes as far as to say:
As noted several times but you have ignored there may well be NO speciaion "events" involved.
Please, no replies to this portion, this whale stuff is off-topic. There's an active thread on this topic already: Land Mammal to Whale transition: fossils Part II. --Admin
The concept that the land mammal to whale evolution would have produced no species, i.e. no speciation events, appears incredulous but that is what the conversation has devolved to. I can see no point in continuing to discuss the matter with anyone that cannot accept speciation had to have occurred.
But as far as the rest, I think getting the topic back to the OP, I would like to see some of the ideas concerning fossilization rates for current mammal families and other vertibrates and over which time periods to asses better what we should expect.
For example, I would have expected, but did not notice, evos to counter with analysis of known families of species and large gaps of no fossils. The idea would be if fossils were found, say of whales but could be anything, from 20-30 million years ago (using evo dating), but not from 20-10 million years ago, the claim could be that large periods of earth's history have had it's fossils lost.
I also wonder what the range of fossils would be between different species, maybe thereby deducting which ecological habitats are more likely to fossilize.
Lastly, is there any concensus here of whether fossils can occur, being slowly covered up, or not?
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Message 66 of 66 (232216)
08-11-2005 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by randman
08-10-2005 5:49 PM


Re: numbers
I suggest you give a proper response. I am not inclined to read through hundreds of your posts scattered over 4 or 5 discussion threads in order to track down what you say is your data and analysis supporting your assertion that 90% of cetacean fossils have been found. You can support your asertion or not, it is your credibility on the line.

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