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Author Topic:   Why is the Intelligent Designer such an idiot?
bluegenes
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Message 4 of 50 (478091)
08-11-2008 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
08-11-2008 7:19 AM


Omphalism ( devious designers yet again).
cavediver writes:
He's either an idiot, or for a deity, remarkably hard-up when it comes to paying for design plans.
Or, he's trying to make it look as though something like modern evolutionary theory is close to the explanation of the origin of the species we see around us.
I favour the "devious designers" explanation when we're examining the character of the Intelligent Designer(s), because it automatically fits all the evidence like a glove.
So, if I'm right, the real question would be: Why do the Intelligent Designers try and conceal themselves? (The plural is because polytheism would appear to be almost infinitely more likely than monotheism once we take away our cultural bias).
Apart from the suggestion of laissez-faire designers who merely design nature, something like Bluejay suggests above(only plural, to remove cultural prejudice ), there would appear to be nothing else that would fit the evidence, except, of course, the parsimonious "no designers" solution, the obvious default position unless or until we have positive evidence for the existence of such beings.

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bluegenes
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Message 45 of 50 (478243)
08-13-2008 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Percy
08-12-2008 5:19 PM


Omphalism - I insist!
Percy writes:
And given that they never leave any evidence of their handiwork behind they must be extremely clever, even going to the extreme of designing in a way that precisely resembles evolution, including DNA sequences.
That's the most important sentence in your post, Percy. If there are interventionist designers, then they design within the parameters of evolutionary possibility, and they have to be doing this deliberately.
You could have a million designed planets without one giving the appearance of natural causes that this one has. There's absolutely no reason why design should resemble evolution, unless it were designed to do so. There's no necessity for designers to design in nested hierarchies, and no reason why a designed planet should give the impression of having such things.
The I.D. people should not blame mainstream scientists for dismissing their ideas about design. They should blame the designers for designing in a way intended to delude observers. They should offer prayers to the designers to help them in their cause:
"Dear designers, which art in heaven, hallowed be thy names. Please give us some useful anomalies, either living or fossilized. If we could discover living marsupials in Europe, or rabbit fossils in the Precambrian, it would be a great help to us, the faithful. And please stop sticking transitional-looking fossils all over the place, as they encourage the infidel, as does all this D.N.A. homology."
The designers consistently refuse to bless their worshippers with this thing called evidence, strangely. They're so successful at concealing themselves, it's just as if they're figments of their followers' imaginations.

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