Is our universe stationary ?

I think the 'problem' is that your questions assume that our current world-view is radically incomplete.In answering the question 'does our universe move' you need a point of reference outside out universe. The way we see the universe now it is impossible to find a point of reference outside our universe, hence the question makes no sense given current scientific knowledge.What would be needed is the discovery of something radically different, not outside our universe but merely far away from the galaxies and such. However, such an idea has no basis in the real world, and as such your questions and ideas sound like you are just coming up with stuff.I guess you could answer the question with "All relevant point of reference gives a velocity of 0" which would be the same as saying that the singularity can't move.This message has been edited by Melchior, 08-27-2004 09:58 AM

The problem with this is that what you call the Entire Universe and "our universe" are, by the very definition of the words, the same thing.You have suggested that there is something outside our universe which still shares the same frame of spatial reference. You have suggested a redefinition of the word universe.We are saying that this is highly unusual and we ask you to explain what you mean by it, what observations or calculations you have done to back this up, and why you refuse to accept the model of the universe that science has generated so far.

And there lies the problem. You really should be cautious when you are talking about philosophy instead of observed science. Nothing wrong with philosophy, but we need to be in the clear on what we are debating.There is a rather large problem with your idea of using a moving sub-universe (or whatever you wish to call it) and that is that you need to discover the rest of the universe before you can say that it's moving, which sort of defeats the point with the question in the first place. Hence, even then it's a pointless question to ask, even if you grant the possibility of a radical change needed in our cosmological view of the universe.Also... Don't you think it would be best to actually discover this external universe before starting to make conclutions about it?It's not foreign to comprehend at all, it's just not cosmology (yet).This message has been edited by Melchior, 08-29-2004 12:03 AM