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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3940 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
quote: In the context of scientific use, make that "theoretical" into "hypothetical".
------------------BS degree, geology, '83 Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Old Earth evolution - Yes Godly creation - Maybe
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5185 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
quote: It's not even hypothetical, given the directly contradicting physics. A white hole with an event horizon, that we were inside. Not even light can escape from inside an event horizon, let alone an entire solar system! Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7873 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
quote: yeah its all just crazy ideas, i doubt if it will ever be proven with tangible evidence. so maybe that is possible. ------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5185 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
quote: KP, The problem is, when tangling with well supported scientific theories, in this case the Big Bang, is that you have to "undo", or reinterpret a huge body of supporting evidence. So, unless this theory can explain away cosmic microwave radiation, relativity etc, it has NO chance of being proven. Now, I agree with "never say never", but it is a vanishingly small chance that relativtity is going to be disproven, after many predictions have been born out. Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7873 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
yeah i dont see the theory of relativity being disproven anytime soon.
------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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Peter Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: Not sure where computer scientists come into it, but ... My intent here was, since it appeared you had pointed out this information in an attempt to support Humphrey's credentials inthe area of young earth 'proof' I felt it relevant to point out, after having had the courtesy to read his 'evidence for a young earth', that he is blantantly ignoring the obvious AND mis-representing/omitting information to make his statements sound more beleivable. That being the case it seems reasonable to assume that he iswilling to say anything, no matter how ridiculous, to try to convince HIMSELF of something that he personally should take on faith. BTW how so an own goal ? Is providing refutation of young earth evidence NOT somehow intricately involved in this debate ? After all, if there is no current evidence for a young earth,then what's the point of talking about a hypothetical dense time region ?
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wj Inactive Member |
Peter, you misunderstand my position.
I give no credence to Humphreys, his white hole thingy postulation or his other arguments and "evidences" for a young earth creation. I simply made available information on the man and instances of other writings or arguments of his, if readers were not aware of the "quality" of his thinking. I commented on the propensity of creationists with one recognised qualification eg. Humphreys in physics, Plaisted in computer science, Gish in biochemistry, to pontificate and offer creationist rebuttal to specialists in other areas. Plaisted, for example, offers "expert" comment on geology and genetics to guide the deluded evolutionist specialists, and to reassure the faithful. I think we're only fighting amongst ourselves because the creationists seem to have left the party early. Was it a strategic withdrawal?
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: More like a full blown realization by JP that he was in for an ass whoopin and a nagging concern over Humphrys sanity from the others....
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Peter Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: Oh .... sorry Got the wrong end of the stick there ... is there a young earth forumI could tackle ????
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wj Inactive Member |
Peter, there doesn't seem to be a specific young earth creation thread current at the moment.
Maybe you could use one of Humphreys' "evidences" for a young earth as the start of a new thread and see if it attracts apologists. It you tried to post all of them, the discussion might get very wide-ranging and disconnected.
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7873 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
god created the heavens before earth and earth before man, thats why we can see starlight and why there are fossils from before man. the days of creation were just meant to make things more comprehendible and to create a sabbath day, so that we had some resting time.
------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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lbhandli Inactive Member |
It would be helpful if you read the thread first. This is a thread concerning a specific scientific claim made by Humphreys.
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7873 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
yeah well he brought up YEC, i told him how it is.
also you should read more of the thread, ive posted here before. ------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi [This message has been edited by KingPenguin, 02-12-2002]
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lbhandli Inactive Member |
And you haven't contributed to it substantively. Now what is your take on the theory? Do you understand how fusion takes place at singularity?
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Given that he posted this earlier I doubt he is going to debate the validity of this theory with you: "okay i finally read all of this thread and i guess im coming to the conclusion that all of this is purely theoretical. I also think we should cut off humphreys hands and sew his mouth shut so no one will ever hear of his "crazy talk" ever again. its pretty bad when the people hes trying to support think hes a moron."-KP While I don`t agree with the proposed mutilation his opinion of Humphrys theory is pretty clear.....
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