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1.61803
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Message 113 of 199 (508349)
05-12-2009 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Perdition
05-12-2009 5:08 PM


Determined non determinist.
Hello Perdition,
quote:
Uncertainty has absolutely nothing to do with free will. It says that the act of measuring one aspect of a particle necessarily affects the other aspects in proportion to the accuracy of the first measurment, meaning you can't know a particle's location and velocity at great accuracy at the same time.
Yes the U.P. is the last bastion of the non-determinist. I can see how one could relate the U.P. to freewill. If the universe was deterministic then I would say freewill is just an illusion. And even though there are many scientific/academics who will refer to the quantum world as deterministic, this is moot since initial conditions can not be duplicated. In other words, If I chose to wear a particular shirt this morning, it was a choice/my free will and not because wave functions propagate in a deterministic fashion. Every behavior of the quantum world in some way does affect the macro world.
Bells Theorum and quantum entanglement are intrinsic to reality imo. So All Ye Determinist can say what you will about my will, I still choose to not chose and thereby made a choice. My 2 centavos

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1.61803
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Message 115 of 199 (508354)
05-12-2009 5:53 PM
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05-12-2009 5:39 PM


Re: Determined non determinist.
Ok.
Quantum Mechanics as a whole could be a bastion of "free willists" but that still only comes down to probability, not so much about choice.
But I see you chose to answer me. ..."Shave and a hair cut............................................................. ..............................
ARRRRRGGHHHH!!!! "Two Bit!"
Edited by Admin, : Shorten long line.

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1.61803
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Message 117 of 199 (508356)
05-12-2009 6:03 PM
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05-12-2009 5:56 PM


Re: Determined non determinist.
Ok I apologize for assuming you where a determinist. I for one am hoping like hell we never get all the answers. How boring life would be if all you had to do was to sit around and google shit. Peace

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