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Author Topic:   Is mathematics a science?
Dr Jack
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Message 7 of 48 (238509)
08-30-2005 6:01 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Nuggin
08-29-2005 11:00 PM


Re: Math as a language
I would suggest, as I did in the other thread, that Math is more like a language than a science.
Maths is not a language. Language has no problem solving capability; maths does.
It's rigidly structured. It has it's own characters. It can be used to describe other things.
Granted.
You can exchange ideas using math as your only means of communication.
Unless those ideas are specifically about maths; no, you can't and even then you will struggle.

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Dr Jack
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Message 8 of 48 (238510)
08-30-2005 6:03 AM
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08-29-2005 10:33 PM


You know, I wonder whether maths has changed from being a science to something else. While the modern mathematically synthesis is derived from axiomatic routes; it has it route fairly and squarely in an emprical description of the world.
Consider the row over negative and imaginary numbers (but what do they mean?) and even zero in long distant times.

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Message 13 of 48 (239398)
09-01-2005 6:02 AM
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08-31-2005 5:42 PM


Re: Math as a language
Computers do not operate by doing maths. Believe me, I know - I have a masters in mathematics and am a computer programmer by trade; I'm intimately familiar with both.
What computers acheive is done through boolean logical operations, not mathematics. The meaning you perceive is there, not because it is communicated by mathematics but because it is constructed as a visual image that you understand; whether through visual or textual means. And is these that communicate the meaning not the underlying logic.

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