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Percy
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Message 176 of 181 (81473)
01-29-2004 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-27-2004 8:56 PM


Hi, Stephen!
Don't you mean "detectable or verifiable." Or, really, "somehow verifiable." There are lots of things out there in physics that cannot be detected, but they do have an influence on detectable things, and so can be verifiable. As long as we have the way they influence the detectable right.
Detectable does not mean "directly apparent to one or more of the five senses." Everything we think we know in science is detectable in some way, which often means we have to use our tools and instruments to make apparent to our senses something that normally isn't. Of course, I don't have to explain this to such a great scientist as yourself.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 178 of 181 (81479)
01-29-2004 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-29-2004 11:18 AM


So, in MN, detectable and verifiable are the same things, and no distinction is made?
I wouldn't think the words themselves have any special meanings within the context of MN. Like many words, they have multiple definitions that are usually clear in context. It wouldn't be correct to assume they're synonyms, though certainly in some contexts they could be. Detecting some event might verify or falsify an hypothesis, or it might just be one step along the way.
My only point was that detectable does not have to mean "directly apparent to the five senses", something that should have been obvious to you anyway. I think MrHambre was using the term "verifiable" in the sense of replication. When he says that a phenomena is detectable and verifiable, he means the phenomena has been observed, and that the observations have been verified by others, ie, replicated.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 180 of 181 (81512)
01-29-2004 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-29-2004 2:06 PM


Re: Stephan ben Hypocrite
Stephen ben Yeshua writes:
You seem unaware of the difference between an ad hominem, and a well deserved insult.
Actually, an ad hominem is when you abandon rational argument to instead make appeals to prejudice. Whether or not your insults are deserved, they *are* ad hominem.
Your posts are becoming more and more Salty-esque, by which I mean you are directing more and more of your attention toward the perceived deficiencies in your opponents' character instead of to their positions and arguments. Might I suggest that you turn aside from this course and instead address some of the issues that have been raised in the H-D isn't what it used to be according to Stephen ben Yeshua thread, or The best scientific method thread, or the History's Greatest Holocaust Via Atheistic Ideology thread, or the designing a convincing prayer experiment thread.
--Percy
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