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Author Topic:   Do the flaws in education discredit the discpline being taught?
Modulous
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Message 1 of 41 (264791)
12-01-2005 4:08 PM


Randman (and in the past others) have said that because 'overstatements' 'misrepresentations' 'lies', and 'fraud' have made it into the school textbooks (or been taught by teachers, made it into documentaries etc etc), it discredits the discipline (ie evolutionary biology). Whether or not these things are misrepresentations (et al) is not a major element to this debate, but rather whether or not this standard should be applied to other subjects:
When I was in school I was taught:
That people in the 15th Century thought the earth was flat, that Christopher Columbus proved them wrong, and that he was the first to America: This is clearly false, Eratosthenes calculated the circumferance of the earth about 200 years before Christ was born. People did get to America before Columbus.
Does this clearly false representation discredit the discipline of 15th century (and before) history?
So, this topic should cover two things.
1. Any other examples of things we were taught at school, which scholars of the subject knew (at the time) were inaccurate, grossly wrong, or similar.
2. Does this education issue reflect badly on the scholars of the discipline being taught. Is it indicative of a conspiracy, or a cover up or propaganda or anything, or is there a more benign explanation?
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Modulous
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Message 3 of 41 (264798)
12-01-2005 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminWounded
12-01-2005 4:15 PM


cheers for the typo alert.
I reckon that Education is the best bet, since I'd like to include any education discipline rather than just science.

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Message 6 of 41 (264817)
12-01-2005 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Wounded King
12-01-2005 4:30 PM


Bohr Atom
The most obvious example that comes to my mind is the Bohr atom.
Good one! The amount of people I knew who had a hard time when they took up A-Level chemistry is astonishing. One of the big problems they had was the fact the Bohr model was basically thrown out the window.

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Message 9 of 41 (264849)
12-01-2005 5:57 PM
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12-01-2005 5:05 PM


Re: Yea, I think it does some.
OK. So how does this differ from, for example: the flat earth fallacy?

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Message 17 of 41 (264986)
12-02-2005 7:59 AM
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12-02-2005 4:46 AM


Welcome to EvC!
As a teacher I think that you are overstating the fact that we may be guilty of a vast institutionalized conspiracy.
I'm not making that claim, take another look at the OP, it is randman (and others) that make this claim.
More correctly it should be flaws/ gaps in the knowlege that we teach, which we all strive to amend.
The topic is not about teaching things which later turn out to be false, but teaching things which contempory knowledge in said discipline already knows to be false.
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Message 20 of 41 (265002)
12-02-2005 8:44 AM
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12-02-2005 8:34 AM


The square root of 16 is 4.
I thought this one was still true !?
Well, it is, but its an incomplete answer. The square roots of 16 are -4 and 4

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Modulous
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Message 23 of 41 (265026)
12-02-2005 10:53 AM
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12-02-2005 9:29 AM


Re: Welcome to EvC!
Wasn't that you initial point 2? "Is it a conspiracy?" you asked.
Indeed, the manner of your response seemed to indicate that it was me that was overstating a possible conspiracy.

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