Creationism in science classrooms (an argument for)

You have the wrong way around. The church is telling it's members to accept beliefs that run counter to the facts.

The subject is SCIENCE. The theory of evolution is science. Creationsim is not. Creationism is religious apologetics, not science. Science class in public schools is not the appropriate place to indoctrinate students into christian apologetics. It is neutral because all theories must pass the same tests. Creationism failed. Evolution passed.

The founding fathers meant for us to interpret the Constitution to fit our current society. They even included a process where the Constitution could be changed if we saw fit, and they included a branch of government (the Judicial Branch) that was put in charge of interpretting the Constitution. That interpretation clearly states that teaching creationism in a public school science classroom is unconstitutional. Yes there is. It is found in the First Ammendment. It is only the creationists who claim that evolution contradicts the Bible. Science teachers in public schools are not claiming this. The ban is due to the religious nature of the conclusion and the absence of any scientific content. If you don't like the ban then gather up the scientific evidence needed to support it and get rid of the christian apologetic arguments. You know, actually do some science.

To be as generous as I can, this should start with the scientific community, not ninth graders. You need to get the science right before it is appropriate for high school science classes. As of right now, the science is not there. False. The state is saying that it is religious and therefore not appropriate for science class in a public school funded by public tax dollars. It is the creationists who are saying that accepting evolution disproves the Bible. Then do the science and show that creationism is accurate. Whinge all you want, it doesn't change the fact that there is no scientific basis for creationism.

This is because such teachings serve no secular purpose in science education. If creationists were able to amass scientific evidence behind their claims then creationism would serve a secular purpose in science education. It is not the fault the government that creationists have failed to do the science. If that were true then there would still be slavery and women could not vote. We live in the year 2011. The Constitution has always censored what the government is allowed to do and not do. That is the whole point.Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

We are not talking about Option Class. We are talking about Science Class. If you can't show that creationism is science then you have proven our point.

False. It is not the state that is claiming a round earth falsifies religion. That would be the flat earthers.The same applies to creationism. The science teacher is not claiming that evolution falsifies christianity. That would be the creationists.

At least for Western style democracies. Middle Eastern theocracies on the other hand . . .I have heard that in some Islamic theocracies that news reporters are not allowed to predict tomorrow's weather because only Allah knows what tomorrow's weather will be. I guess we can add meteorology to the growing list of anti-religious "theories".

That is not what the law states. The law states that the government can not prevent the free excersize of religion. The state does not tell students that secular ideas oppose religion. Creationists do that. Teachers at public schools do not stand in front of the class and tell students that evolution proves religion false. Again, that is what creationists are doing. Then show us some biologists who are doing original scientific research based on creationism. Why would a ban on religios indoctrination in public schools apply to nonreligious materials?

Religion is not mentioned in science class. The ones making conclusions as to the interaction of science and religion are the creationists, not public school science teachers. This is not taught. It is creationists who teach that evolution falsifies religion, not the state.

No science teacher in any public school is teaching that creationism is not true. Creationists are the ones teaching kids that evolution leads to the conclusion that creationism is false. Creationism is never mentioned, positively or negatively, in pubic school science classes. You have things completely backwards. You must demonstrate that creationism is objectively accurate with respect to the scientific method before it can be considered for science class. Creationists have consistently failed at doing this.If the priority is accurate scientific theories then creationism should be excluded because creationism has failed as a scientific theory.

Your next task is to apply this argument to actual scientific research. Show how your view of creationism can be used to perform original research. Then you need to do that research. Then you need to publish it and present it to the scientific community. Then, and only then, can creationism be considered for science class.

We aren't talking about Explanation Class. We are talking about Science Class. You need to show us the SCIENCE that has been done to support creationism. You need to show us the original SCIENTIFIC research that has been done to test specific hypotheses made by creationism, and how that research supports creationism. Blathering on and on in internet forms is not science.Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

False. We are not talking about Truth Class. We are talking about Science Class. They teach the science dealing with how species change over time. Nowhere in the curriculum do they state that religious doctrines are false. Nowhere have you shown that creationism qualifies as science. Only creationists are claiming that evolution indicates that religious doctrines are false.

No it isn't. The purpose is to teach the science of origins. Again, we are talking about Science Class, not Truth Class.