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Author Topic:   Should creationists be able to benefit from technologies from evolutionary biology?
Quetzal
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Message 4 of 35 (170230)
12-20-2004 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
12-20-2004 5:59 PM


Heh. That was a short discussion. Does that mean it's Miller Time?

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Quetzal
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Message 12 of 35 (170908)
12-22-2004 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by jokun
12-22-2004 1:13 PM


It’s a misconception to think that creationists are opposed to medical/scientific advances of this type, or that we’re all Bible-thumping zealots waiting for God to heal our maladies. There are specific medical treatments that I am opposed to, though, such as blood transfusions as NosyNed mentioned, and I would expect my beliefs to be respected.
Fascinating. I've had hearsay that certain Christian sects had specific proscriptions against different types of medical treatment (e.g., Jehovah's Witnesses), but have never actually had the opportunity to talk to a member. I think it is relevant to this thread, if only peripherally. Would you be willing to answer a few questions about the subject?

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Quetzal
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Message 15 of 35 (170922)
12-22-2004 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by jokun
12-22-2004 4:39 PM


Thanks! If any of the following questions appear "impertinent", or disrespectful, that is not my intent. I am honestly fascinated by this worldview (being so completely foreign to my personal experiences), and - in this instance anyway - am simply seeking to understand where you're coming from and what it entails. I will not debate the answers, so please feel free to be as expansive or not as you will.
1. Which medical procedures/treatments do you NOT accept? Is there a relationship between these treatments (i.e., something like "all treatments dealing with blood from others", or specific medication regimens, etc)? Are there specific Biblical verses (if you are not Christian, then please use the relevant religious text) whose interpretation you are using to determine which procedures are acceptable? Are these same verses interpreted differently by other groups within your religion/sect (i.e., to allow the proscribed treatments)?
2. On a practical front, do you use some identification like a medicalert bracelet to inform paramedics or other first responders that there are treatments, etc, to which you are opposed on religious grounds? IOW, if you are incapacitated through accident, how are the medical personnel to know what methods are appropriate/inappropriate?
3. Although there is a strong tendency in the US, at least, to honor religious proscriptions whenever possible, how does the legal issue of denial of treatment for minors play out? Do you know of any conflicts that have occurred from this between members of your group and legal authorities?
Anyway, thanks for your responses. I appreciate your willingness to discuss this.

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Quetzal
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Message 25 of 35 (173381)
01-03-2005 9:36 AM
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12-23-2004 11:35 AM


Jokun:
I want to thank you for the reply and the links. I'm quite embarassed that I didn't see it earlier (it slid off the pages, and I seldom check the "replies await" screen). I think you've answered my questions well.

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Message 26 of 35 (173385)
01-03-2005 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Kevin
12-25-2004 2:19 AM


Re: It does conflict
Wow, that's very weird. This post is noted as a reply to my post, but has nothing to do with anything I wrote. I'm not sure who's supposed to reply to you.

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