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Author Topic:   Flat Earth Theory = Creationist Theory?
Sylas
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Message 2 of 28 (89103)
02-27-2004 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Loudmouth
02-27-2004 4:09 PM


Satirising satire
Loudmouth writes:
To show the weakness of an ad hoc hypothesis [...] I have decided to show how the theory of a flat earth is supported by facts and by a theory, and so should be taught side by side with Round Earth Theory.
sidnote: I hope everyone who reads this will understand that a lot of this is in satire, but there is a lesson to be learned.
My main source of information is from No webpage found at provided URL: www.flat-earth.org. ...
Just checking... it was not immediately apparent in your satire that you were aware that the site you are using is also satire. You did recognize that, I hope?
I could understand satirising strange beliefs, but satirising satire seems a bit redundant.
Cheers -- Sylas
[This message has been edited by Sylas, 02-27-2004]

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Sylas
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Posts: 766
From: Newcastle, Australia
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Message 4 of 28 (89115)
02-27-2004 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Loudmouth
02-27-2004 4:53 PM


Re: Satirising satire
Forgive for belabouring the point, but your original post, after the end sarcasm tag, concludes with this sentence:
If so, why not include flat earth theory in Earth Science classes, after all there are groups of scientists that argue for a flat earth and it is supported by evidence.
But there are no groups of scientists, or groups of anybody, that argue for a flat earth. The site you are using is deliberate humour. I don't see how you get any useful point out of this at all.
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Sylas
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From: Newcastle, Australia
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Message 16 of 28 (89211)
02-28-2004 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by truthlover
02-27-2004 10:23 PM


Re: Satirising satire
truthlover writes:
It appears talkorigins.org is gullible enough to believe it, too.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html
I think there are flat earthers out there, Sylas.
I can't speak for the whole talkorigins team, but I think most of us are not actually that gullible . The people involved in talkorigins are a very loosely knit and diverse mob. I'm one of them, in a small way.
For my own part, I am skeptical about flat earthers being out there, and stand by my comments above without any modification. I do think I speak for the talkorigins team in saying that we would love to hear of any serious flat earther. As far as I know, the last was Charles Johnson, and he died in 2001. He was the author of the flyer in the talkorigins FAQ.
I think there are some people on the periphery of talkorigins who might continue to claim that there might still be flat earthers around; but noone has been able to give an example of one, as far as I know.
The talkorigins FAQ that is cited above has a bit of a history.
We have had to disable the feedback link from that page, and place a prominent disclaimer, to try and prevent people sending us feedback to say we were idiots for believing in a flat earth. Check out what happens when you hit the feedback button on that page. (Answer: nothing.)
We still get a few feedbacks of that kind, but not many; and I harbour a sneaking suspicion that someoone aware of the history of talkorigins involvement on this topic is yanking our collective chain.
In my opinion, the FAQ is badly out of date. At the time it was written, Charles Johnson was still alive, and so the claim in the FAQ which reads as follows: "... there are still real people who interpret the Bible so literally that they think Earth is flat." was technically correct at the time it was written. I do not think it is correct any more.
So thanks for reminding me of this; it might be an idea to add an epilogue to the page. I'll suggest it.
I know about the fixed earth people; they are for real. I know about the current flat earth society. They are not for real; but the more people who think they are for real the happier they will be.
So there is a point to satire about the flat earth. It raises the question: how do you refute someone who insists that flat earth is a valid scientific perspective? It's like trying to slam a revolving door. It's like trying to shepherd a cat in a given direction. It's like trying to argue with a young earth creationist. My only quibble is that I don't think we can claim the flat earthers are for real; not since the loss of Charles Johnson.
Cheers -- Sylas

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