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Author Topic:   Kent Hovind is a Doctor (READ ON) personally debunks the issue
Quetzal
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Message 39 of 51 (49560)
08-09-2003 3:23 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Trump won
08-09-2003 2:13 AM


Excellent messenjah! You have realized the point of the whole exercise here: using someone's credentials as validation of their claims is spurious - even if their credentials are valid, it doesn't make their claims valid. It's the fallacy of "appeal to authority". The reality with Hovind is that his claims are not only invalid, but his credentials are at best irrelevant and at worst questionable. The fact that he relies on his "PhD" to convince the unknowing that his claims have weight is in and of itself a reason to scrutinize the claims very closely.
You should take advantage of Mark's offer to discuss one or more of the claims you personally feel are compelling - not because Hovind said so, but because YOU feel they either require an answer or are troubling. That's the kind of discussion this board was established to address.
My two cents.

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Quetzal
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Message 44 of 51 (49703)
08-10-2003 3:17 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Trump won
08-09-2003 3:33 AM


Rats. I was mistaken. You DID completely miss the point. Tell you what, let me rephrase it for you:
Quetzal rephrasing, writes:
You should take advantage of Mark's offer to discuss one or more of the evidences or arguments against evolution made by Hovind you personally feel are compelling - not because Hovind said so, but because YOU feel they either require an answer or are troubling. That's the kind of discussion this board was established to address.
So in an attempt to move the discussion along, I'll stipulate to the following:
1. Hovind's degree is a genuine, gold-plated, legitimate (if non-traditional) degree.
2. Since he has been writing and speaking on this subject for many years, he has at worst informed layman's status, and may aspire to the caveat of "expert".
THEREFORE, we should be able to evaluate his specific statements and claims without reference to ad hominem - as we would the statements and claims of ANY other expert up to an including Charles Darwin himself in light of scientific observations and evidence.
Agreed? If so, please go back to Hovind's site, pick one or two of the claims or statements he makes (since you seem to be enamored of his work) OR ANY OTHER CREATIONIST SITE, that appear to YOU PERSONALLY to be either problematic for evolution, troubling or confusing to you personally, or compelling evidence for creationism, open a new topic string, and let's discuss them!
So far, we appear to be bogged down in an utter irrelevancy (whether or not Hovind the man is legit). Let's move on past it, shall we?
Get my point, now?

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