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I know evolution never states "be your own God", but in essence thats what the human nature behind it is. See us humans dont like to have a boss and go to prove at great lengths there is no boss and that we are the boss. Darwin never said this your right, but I believe thats the thought behind it.Crash you have no idea why creationists leave you are only speculating.Paul I am not sticking a label on Hugh Ross, I'm taking one off of him. See he doesnt interpret the bible differently because in the bible, in genesis, it clearly says "day", I cant see how anyone can reinterpret that as being "billions of years". Hes "siding with the enemy" in a way.Prophecy believes that story and of what Jesus said: not to care of worldly things. Also if we lived at the time when Jesus walked as a man I would give my things away and walk with him. But now is a different time, to witness to vast majorities of people outside of your area a computer is a necessity.I know the evolution theory like the back of my hand and to say I dont you would be wrong. If I didnt yes I would be "ignorant".Being hypocritical is one of my biggest faults and what I said before did not come out right. I apologize for that.Maybe the creationists left because they realize the sites biased or they just happened to notice they were out numbered.Who knows?------------------
"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis

"Who is going to understand science better - an armchair scientist or an armchair religious apologist?"Would that "armchair scientist" believe in evolution because if so I think both would understand science the same.. That is if the "armchair religious apologist" was also a scientist.....------------------
"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis

Well, I've only been here for months, and seen it happen over and over again. Creationists leave when they can't substantiate their points. It's not speculation, it's observation.Anyway, if you're so sure I'm wrong, what's your explanation? I'm glad to hear it. Perhaps you'd like to start a new topic on some aspect of it you find least supported by evidence? I for one would love to debate it with you. The site is only biased in terms of preferring evidence to unsupported assertion. If they can't handle that kind of bias then what place do they have in intelligent debate?

I think you have it the wrong way around. It is *creationists* who put themselves forward as Gods by insisting that THEY cannot be wrong.YOu are definitely putting a false label on Hugh Ross by calling him an "evolutionist". He isn't, and that's a fact. And while I think Hugh Ross's interpretation of the Bible is a bit strained it is no more so - and in fact less so than some of the interpretations I have seen.
(And you might want to read what 2 Peter says about a day and God).And sicne you know all about evolutionary theory you KNOW that the earth and the universe have been shown to be old by evidence outside of evolutionary theory - and it is THAT evidence that Hugh Ross accepts. So eihter you know nothing of what Hugh Ross beleives or you knowingly endorsed a falsehood.The administration of this site is not biaed, if bias was an issue then creationists leave because it is not biased in their favour. And if creationists are outnumbered it is because so many leave so quickly.

I already responded to why the creationists might have might have left. I will start a new thread to debate with you once I find a topic that has not already been made. I also meant to say the sites owner is biased not the site* my fault. Anyway, yeah I'll get back to you on that.
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-Chris------------------
"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis

In general creationists are not even armchair scientists. They pay little attention to even popular level science (in contrast I have two undergraduate level texts on evolution and a number of popular works).So let's rephrase that to make my menaing clear. Who is going to understnad science better someone like myself who reads about science and even a little of the philosphy of science or someone who sticks to reading religious apologetics ?

So basiacally you are saying that creationists are paranoid ? I would have no problem subscribing to a creationist-run forum if I could see that it was run fairly. Finding one that is, however, is difficult.

What evidence? Would you like to enlighten me briefly on what you consider evidence for evolution? 2 Peter also speaks of false teachings. The verse you are referring to " a day like a thousand years, a thousand years like a day", that in my mind is symbolic to show that God knows all before it happens. Also notice he used the word "like" and not simply "is".
thanks for your feedback,
-Chris------------------
"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis

Paul the message that you just replied to was not intended for you, it was intended for Crash.
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-Chris[This message has been edited by messenjaH, 08-07-2003][This message has been edited by messenjaH, 08-07-2003]

Percy? To the contrary. It's merely that he's seen all the evidence, judged it fairly, and come down on the side of evolution. At such time as a creationist is able to present an argument he hasn't heard before I'm sure he'll put the open-minded effort into understanding and weighing it in the light of what we already know.That doesn't sound like bias at all to me. What would be bias would be ignoring new evidence when it comes to light. Percy has not to my knowledge ever done so.Just because he comes to different conclusions than you does not mean he's biased. He's simply made a decision. You can't expect him to revisit his decision every time a creationist posts the same tired, erroneous argument? And you can't call it bias to ask for evidence to support your position.Just because I say "the sky is blue", and don't change my mind everytime somebody says "no, it's purple!" without proof that it is, does that mean I'm biased in favor of sky-blue-ism? Or rather doesn't it mean I don't take people's words over my own experience? It's good to keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out.

So, you don't even know why Hugh Ross concludes the Earth and the Universe are older than a strict literal interpretation of the Bible allows ? Didn't you know that he is an astronomer ? Doesn't that suggest which evidence he is most familiar with ?So where does evolution come into astronomy (and please don't try to confuse "stellar evolution" with biological evolution - they aren't the same thing at all).

Then perhaps you should use the "reply" button at the bottom of the post you are replying to. It is very helpful in keeping track of the thread of conversation. You might have noticed that most of the posts here have links to and from the messages they reply to - but yours do not.

Many consider Humphreys book a dead theory because of what Hugh Ross wrote. Possibly because Ross doesnt want to look like a fool especially since thats his field of science? Who knows? Just some more speculation. Humphreys also responded to those allegations, someone provided a link, I know its on answersingenesis.org somewhere.
Thanks
-Chris------------------
"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewiscontact me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com

Yeah I'm kind of new here, sorry for that
-Chris------------------
"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewiscontact me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com

Hi messenjaH!There's a little reply button at the bottom of each message. If you use it then messages gain links to and from your reply. When you don't use it then it can be difficult to figure out who you're replying to. You should avoid the big "Post Reply" buttons that appear at the top of bottom of message pages unless you're really not replying to anyone.------------------

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